I agree. For me based on the firearms I own, I like a tang mounted safety like the one on my Ruger American Rimfire.
The best-and worst-rifle safeties
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Sistema1927
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Is there even one documented instance of this ever happening? Almost 6 million of these rifles were made, and they have been around for more that 70 years. Not to mention that the same safety exists on the M14/M1A.
^ and Rugers Minis
I could maybe see an issue if you had a very light trigger job done, and were wearing large gloves or something.....honestly i bet SOMEONE has fired a gun with that style safety by accident, trying to take the safety off, but ive never head of it.
I could maybe see an issue if you had a very light trigger job done, and were wearing large gloves or something.....honestly i bet SOMEONE has fired a gun with that style safety by accident, trying to take the safety off, but ive never head of it.
someguy2800
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I don't see a problem with the M1's safety for its intended use, but I'd rather not have it on my hunting rifles.
Ironhand54
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If the rifle is not pointing pointed at the target then why is your finger in the trigger guard?
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Vern Humphrey
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f the rifle is not pointing pointed at the target then why are you releasing the safety at all?
In our lawyer-ridden society, no one is responsible for what he does -- it's all some big company at fault when an individual screws up, you know.
tark
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Exactly right! The M-1 safety pulls the hammer back out of sear engagement, locks it in place and blocks the trigger at the same time. As safe as it gets, and the most totally ambidextrous safety ever invented.
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Dr T
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To Mr Humprey's Point ("f the rifle is not pointing pointed at the target then why are you releasing the safety at all?"):
This is precisely the reason I like the crossbolt safety on my M94 Winchester and Marlin 1894 and 336. When you are unloading the rifle, the rounds must be cycled through the chamber (or close enough to make me nervous) with the hammer cocked.
This is precisely the reason I like the crossbolt safety on my M94 Winchester and Marlin 1894 and 336. When you are unloading the rifle, the rounds must be cycled through the chamber (or close enough to make me nervous) with the hammer cocked.
Robbins290
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I hate the safety on a SKS, I think its terrible to come off easy why trying to hunt.
Worst: Mosin-Nagant.
Second worst (yet, oddly enough, cheered by several here): safety built into the trigger guard, requiring placing your finger inside the trigger guard to disengage. ND just waiting to happen.
John
Second worst (yet, oddly enough, cheered by several here): safety built into the trigger guard, requiring placing your finger inside the trigger guard to disengage. ND just waiting to happen.
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It does make a lot more sense as a combat safety.
rbernie
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Actually, it doesn't. It requires you to take the weapon off safety before you engage in any dynamic activity, because you can’t safely use it while you’re moving.
It’s a square range safety, and not a field safety.
tark
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not sure what to make of this response. Why can't you "Use it" while you are moving? Not sure I get this concept of it being dangerous to "Stick your finger in the trigger guard" to remove a safety. Exactly what are you doing with your finger AFTER you have removed the safety with other systems? ( Hint: Sticking your finger in the trigger guard.)
The beauty of the M-1 safety is this: It can stay on until the last second, then it can be taken off safe with the firing hand in position with a flick of one finger.
I give the AR safety equal marks for ease of use, but only if it is equipped with an ambi safety, for the lefties.
Bottom line remains the same. The best safety is between your ears..
rbernie
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Sure - on a square range. I have never found it useful to pull the trigger while sprinting across uneven terrain under duress wearing battle rattle. All of my shooting was done prior to or subsequent to dynamic movement (which often included flinging myself onto the ground as fast as I could, once I got to my intended position).
My experience with, say, de-assing a vehicle or engaging in maneuver while holding a rifle tells me that having my finger in the trigger guard at that specific point in time is Not A Good Thing. I am much more comfortable with a safety like the M16-pattern rifles use, where I can use my thumb to re-position the safety/selector while moving without also causing danger to myself or my squadmates by risking an ND should I put a foot wrong and jar my strong-hand grip.
Most importantly, I am more likely to use the M16-style safety because it's easier to use under motion / duress than I am to use the M1-style. I would wager that the M1 safety was little used outside of garrison, because of its location.
I fully admit that I am an average, low speed / high drag kinda guy. YMMV.
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tark
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Don't forget that abomination on the Swiss Schmidt- Rubin's. Better than the Nagant because the ring is easier to use, but still a disaster. At least the Swiss guns are uniformly high quality.
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