The Cop Revolt Against Gun Control

[Sarge111]

Changing of the guard...

There were a hell of a lot of us 25 years ago who supported RKBA. This was in the days when the fuzz was largely comprosed of ex-mil folks, hunters and others to whom the gun was, and always will be, a way of life.

Then the hiring standards changed and we started getting indundated with college kids who hadn't really ever done a damn thing but have mommy & daddy pay for their brainwashing by liberal academia. Their professors were liberal thinkers, and usually staunchly anti-gun. This is not a blanket condemnation of anyone with an education- far from it. It is simply an insider's look at the defining moment in what the police have become.

But some of us haven't gone with the flow, and remain your allies in freedom- much to the discomort of the IACP types. Be thankful there are a few of us still left, and those of you with children had better work extra hard to teach them that "gun" is not a dirty word. I don't mind seeing my candle burn short, but I'd like to think that there will be somebody to fill my boots when I'm gone.

 

[Gordon Fink]

Only a good idea if you don’t go quietly. Hold a press conference, tell everyone about the sleazy pressure brought on you. And then dare the pukes to fire you.

Make waves. Shine the light on the cockroaches. Don’t let them pull this off quietly.

Agreed!

And pro-RKBA police chiefs, police commissioners, etc. are in the perfect position to do just this. Why don’t they?

~G. Fink

 

[TheeBadOne]

Some do, but what interest does the media have in that.....

 

[Don Galt]

"But if every cop or civil servant resigned because of one issue or another, such as abortion, religious or drug laws, we would have nobody in public service."

You say that like its a bad thing!

Every service provided by the government is provided at higher cost and lower quality than if such service were provided by the private sector.

People complain about the post office, but why do they never notice that the post office was not always a US federal monopoly? There were dozens if not hundreds of effective postal services before congress put them out of business.

People just assume that if the government didn't do it, it wouldnt' get done.

Actually the opposite is true-- teh government insures its done poorly ,and undermines the possibilty the private organizations can do it well.

And if the private organizations did it, we'd get better service at lower cost. Something you see whenever there is a free market.

UPS and Fedex compete. They both do a better job because they compete.

 

[Don Galt]

"That sounds all utiopian and stuff, but in reality it is the job of all citizens to fight unconstitutional, unethical and immoral laws. Unfortunately, few do their job."

And those that do, get almost no support in the gun culture.

Anyone who stands up to people who are being unconstitutional, eventually is met by cops.

And what do people in the gun culture do? Take the cops side. Note Rick Stanley.

There's a disconnect here between supporting the constitution but not supporting those who take it seriously.

For instance, the drug war is unconsititutional... but you see someone get busted for drugs and what do those in the gun culture do? They cheer the violation of the constitution.

 

[semf]

Just following orders?

With all due respect (and I mean that) equating the murder of millions of people because of their religion/race (whichever you choose to call it) with arresting someone who knowingly violates a law (no matter how unconstitutional) is an extreme stretch.

Does an officer have the right to ignore a crime committed in front of him, just because he dosen't agree with it. Isn't that the mentality that allowed the Klan to flourish.
Should an anti abortion cop look the other way if he saw Rudolf, how many Black, Spanish, Catholic, Jewish, or just generally honorable men and women have had to protect Klan rallies.
As far as I know, and I probably am wrong Police officers are sworn to uphold the laws of their community, lawmakers are sworn to protect the constitution.
My brother in law is a cop, and the son of immigants, One time he was investigating a crime and had to question a Hispanic witness, because he dosn't speak his native language he had to take an interpreter. Because of this the witness was araid of him and blurted out that he was illegal. BIL told him (thru interpreter) not to say that again.Fear does stupid things to people and he said it 2 or 3 more times. (" I don't want trouble I'm illegal")
BIL ended up arresting the man. He had to do alot of soul searching that night, I imagine cops do alot of soul searching. It was his duty that he gave his word that he would do in exchange for the financial security for his family. At the end of the day your word and your honour are all you have.

 

[Watchman]

One of the beautiflu things about police work is the ability to use "officer discretion" to uphold the law.

The key to officer discretion and using it properly is education.

For instance, a mayor of a local town issues a decree that ALL weapons found during a routine traffic stop in vehicles within city limits are to be confinscated.

An uneducated cop that know slim to nothing about the US Constitution and the bill of rights might have no qualmes in enforcing such an "order" by the mayor.

However, a cop with a clue realizes that such a decree is contray to the Constitution of the US and understands that he has no real authority to obey an order that clearly volates the law of the land. IF he has balls the size of a pissant, he also knows that in a court of law, an illegal order would be struck down.

Unfortunatley, due to the great liberal brainswashing campaign being fronted in the educational systems of today, many cops arent aware of this. Therefore it is imperative that the older vets teach these young punks the way that it is.

The ONLY real check that we have against an oppresive government are the law enforcers that REFUSE to "enforce" bogus laws. Talk about that the real jackbooted thugs will lay awake at night wondering how to get away with murder.

It is absolutey nessecary that ALL citizens not only be armed, but be proficient with weapons. By being proficient, I mean not only the skills to use them effectivley, but also the WILL to use them when time are tough. ANY politician, cop, laywer, judge, Congressmen, Senator or President, ought to be suspect if he/he opposes private ownership of weapons for any reason.

 

[BluesBear]

But if every cop or civil servant resigned because of one issue or another, such as abortion, religious or drug laws, we would have nobody in public service

SURE WE WOULD!

There will ALWAYS be SOMEBODY willing to take the job. Just like there will always be somebody willing to take YOUR job.

And the problem is that many of those people will be willing to do it for less money.


Lets face it everytime there is a new recuit class formed anywhere, there are a lot more applicants than acceptees. Those who can't make the grade now would be more than happy to take the job when all of the qualified people are gone.

Do you really want officers with lower standards on the street?

 

[semf]

BluesBear
I stand corrected. Good point

 

[greyhound]

Most of us meet gun friendly cops as we tend to live in a gun friendly social environment or area.

I dread the day that I get pulled over for speeding or whatever coming back from the range. I keep the gun unloaded and with a padlock in the trunk, the ammo up front in another padlocked bag, and on the way back I keep the receipt from the range and a printed copy of the tranport law handy.

Yet I still think they'll probably take my guns, most likely for good.

No one can convince me that the rank and file Maryland State Police isn't anti-gun.

I'm real careful of my driving to/from the range, believe me. And I find myself thinking how ridiculous it is I have to be like that.

 

[Sarge111]

Brave new world?

"But if every cop or civil servant resigned because of one issue or another, such as abortion, religious or drug laws, we would have nobody in public service."


No, you'd have people in public service- but they'd all be automatons with no independent sense of right or wrong.

 

[WAGCEVP]

NO!

Resign!

please don't resign............. we NEED GOOD cops to stay on the force and teach/ train the younger cops, pleeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaasssseeee!

 

[Zundfolge]

Resign

Thats the LAST THING a pro-RKBA officer should do.

I lived in Wichita Kansas for my first 33 years, which like much of the rest of the state of Kansas its run by liberal Republicans who support gun control.

I was robbed at gunpoint several years ago and I was understandably angry, and I told the officer who responded that "Dammit! this makes me want to carry a gun!", his response; "You should." (keep in mind that open carry isn't even legal there).

There are MANY pro CCW and pro RKBA cops on the Wichita Police Department, and by God if I still lived there and I got pulled over for speeding or something I want one of them pulling me over and looking the other way when they find I was carrying.

I once got out of a speeding ticket because there was a copy of Rush Limbaugh's first book laying in the back seat or my car ... the officer on the passenger side of the car saw it and said to the other "this kid can't be too bad" and shined his flashlight on the book, the other officer grinned and gave me back my license and told me to be careful in the future. So police do selectivly enforce the law, and I would prefer to have pro RKBA officers out there selectivly enforcing gun laws.

 

[LawDog]

Resign!

Well, goodness. I guess I oughta go toss my badge on the Sheriff's desk then.

Of course, my replacement, more than likely, is going to be one of those liberal California jackasses who are invading Texas by the friggin' busload, but hey -- at least I'm making a moral statement, right?

:banghead:

LawDog

 

[MessedUpMike]

Resign ??????

No way in hell would I resign. To my understanding my oath to uphold and defend meant just that. Uphold means stop or resist laws tha run contrary to th constitution as much as practically possible. Defend means do everything in my power to unseat those above me that are trying to support such laws. If the FOP was as powerful as the IAFF then unseating some of these idiots wouldn't be anything more than an exercise in patience.
Also when I was in CJT all of my instructors where ex-cops. Including a former FOP local pres. and an MPD precient Cmdr. Not much room for liberals in that crowd

 

[jato]

Of course, my replacement, more than likely, is going to be one of those liberal California jackasses who are invading Texas by the friggin' busload, but hey -- at least I'm making a moral statement, right?

The 2 things that bother me the most are California gun laws and domestic violence laws.

About half of the deputies at my station are pro gun. Why do you want them to resign? They are the ones who tend to uphold the Bill of Rights!

I have friends who carry without a permit. So what! I say, let them fire me for upholding the 2nd amendment!

And here is some food for thought for those of you who think we have it so good... I have a friend of a friend in the California State Department of Justice. Most of the criminal cases they are investigating in the firearm realm are against PEACE OFFICERS who didn't register their assault weapons! One day you’re a law-abiding citizen the next day you’re a felon! All because your rifle has a bayo lug! Enough is enough!


Resign! HELL NO! WE NEED TO MULTIPLY!

 

[Don Galt]

Well, I don't think you can be a cop and not compromise your principles... look at the drug war-- blatently unconstitutional, and how hard is it to find a cop that recognizes that fact?

Plus, you add a lot of money from asset forfieture and they start to see their paycheck (or is it just fast cars? Around here I've seen them labled as "drug siezure vehicle" which had been repainted and lights put on)... coming from the drug war and it gets kinda hard to stand on the constitution when the politicos and %90 of the cops on the force are not going to tolerate your opinion.

Once your police are compromised in such a way... its a slippery slope, slow as it may be, to full scale corruption, IMNSHO. We're well on the way.

I think they should resign and find a less corrupt (in drug law enforcement or gun law enforcement) agency to work for.

Or, better yet, become lawyers and fight for the constitution directly.

But then, I'm not a lawyer so don't take this as condemnation.

 

[Stevie-Ray]

However, a cop with a clue realizes that such a decree is contray to the Constitution of the US and understands that he has no real authority to obey an order that clearly volates the law of the land. IF he has balls the size of a pissant, he also knows that in a court of law, an illegal order would be struck down.

The ONLY real check that we have against an oppresive government are the law enforcers that REFUSE to "enforce" bogus laws. Talk about that the real jackbooted thugs will lay awake at night wondering how to get away with murder.

It is absolutey nessecary that ALL citizens not only be armed, but be proficient with weapons. By being proficient, I mean not only the skills to use them effectivley, but also the WILL to use them when time are tough. ANY politician, cop, laywer, judge, Congressmen, Senator or President, ought to be suspect if he/he opposes private ownership of weapons for any reason

Hear, hear! I completely agree. The only prayer we have is for cops to be able to look the other way when their trained eyes see fundamental rights being exercised, rather than criminal activity according to their marching orders. Will you really give up so easily when the cop says during confiscation: "Sorry pal, I'm the NRA too, but I still have a job to do."