The ENDOMAG has arrived

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A while back someone posted about the MEAN Arms ENDOMAG and I thought it was interesting so I ordered one on the preorder program.
For those that don’t know about the ENDMAG, it allows you to convert a pmag from 5.56 to 9mm. Now why would you want to do that? Simple, you don’t have to buy a dedicated 9mm lower. The ENDOMAG converts your standard AR lower to 9mm by just inserting the mag. Just get a 9mm upper and a heavy buffer and you’re ready to go.
The other night I got an email stating that my MEAN Arms order was shipped. I had forgotten all about ordering one. It arrived today and took about 2 minutes to install in a Magpul G2 mag.
I’m going to take it to work Monday to try it out.
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Gunny,
Wow, I did not know this existed. I've been wanting to build/get a 9MM upper that I could put on a standard lower, but the reviews aren't great on the mag blocks. Please let us know how it works.
What's the price point on them?
So, the idea is a 9MM upper on a standard lower, plus the buffer. Any other mods needed?
Hammer, bolt hold open?

Thanks!
 
I didn't like that it will leave a round chambered even after you take a mag out and rack the bolt.

Mag block conversion for a Colt patterned mag has worked fine for me and I think I'll stick with that. Can change back with simple disassembly and it takes a rather normal mag.
 
A while back someone posted about the MEAN Arms ENDOMAG and I thought it was interesting so I ordered one on the preorder program.
For those that don’t know about the ENDMAG, it allows you to convert a pmag from 5.56 to 9mm. Now why would you want to do that? Simple, you don’t have to buy a dedicated 9mm lower. The ENDOMAG converts your standard AR lower to 9mm by just inserting the mag. Just get a 9mm upper and a heavy buffer and you’re ready to go.
The other night I got an email stating that my MEAN Arms order was shipped. I had forgotten all about ordering one. It arrived today and took about 2 minutes to install in a Magpul G2 mag.
I’m going to take it to work Monday to try it out.
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Oooooooooo, neato! Need a range report Gunny!

Not feeling too warm and fuzzy about the polymer ejector nub though, seems like that bit should be a steel insert....
 
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Gunny,
Wow, I did not know this existed. I've been wanting to build/get a 9MM upper that I could put on a standard lower, but the reviews aren't great on the mag blocks. Please let us know how it works.
What's the price point on them?
So, the idea is a 9MM upper on a standard lower, plus the buffer. Any other mods needed?
Hammer, bolt hold open?

Thanks!
Cost is $24.99
I didn't like that it will leave a round chambered even after you take a mag out and rack the bolt.

Mag block conversion for a Colt patterned mag has worked fine for me and I think I'll stick with that. Can change back with simple disassembly and it takes a rather normal mag.
I’m not sure what you mean by leaving a round in the chamber after removing the mag. I just put 4 dummy rounds in the mag, chambered a round, pushed the bolt catch, pulled the charging handle to the rear, which ejected the round from the chamber and locked the bolt to the rear. I then removed the mag which still had 3 rounds in it.
I think you have the concept of the ENDOMAG wrong. It’s not to replace your 9mm lower. It is a low cost alternative to having to build a 9mm lower.
I watched the one range review video on the ENDOMAG that I could find. The guy doing the review called it a POS but then says it’s better then the Colt and Glock 9 mm lowers. But he also used his tactical knife to disassemble his AR.o_O
But then he only has 20 subscribers.
 
I like how they come from the factory as ban state compatible, and you can adjust them for the rest of you free peeps.
This is certainly a hell of a lot cheaper than a dedicated 9mm lower.
 
First I have to check the rules and see if my range allows PCC. (Seriously old back stop, that we're not replacing yet as we're supposedly doubling the range building length "soon"... and by soon I mean we've been in planning stages for over 3 years.)
 
Looks like a good idea



I have the mag block style, locks in place with one Allen bolt, has always worked too. I also have the 9mm AR fire control group because my bolt isn’t ramped.

I can see the usefulness of the mags if someone had say an SBR and wanted to play with a number of uppers with it. Ramp the bolt and get the mag conversions and your running.
 
Cost is $24.99

I’m not sure what you mean by leaving a round in the chamber after removing the mag. I just put 4 dummy rounds in the mag, chambered a round, pushed the bolt catch, pulled the charging handle to the rear, which ejected the round from the chamber and locked the bolt to the rear. I then removed the mag which still had 3 rounds in it.
I think you have the concept of the ENDOMAG wrong. It’s not to replace your 9mm lower. It is a low cost alternative to having to build a 9mm lower.
I watched the one range review video on the ENDOMAG that I could find. The guy doing the review called it a POS but then says it’s better then the Colt and Glock 9 mm lowers. But he also used his tactical knife to disassemble his AR.o_O
But then he only has 20 subscribers.

I have young kids and novice shooters I teach and I want the weapon to eject a round with the magazine out as it should normally do. No, it's not a big deal if you understand the way it works but is a concern for me as it means I'll have to teach them that this particular AR platform has a different manual of arms than the others. I can see negligent discharges with this thing as lot as people will clear them "correctly" (which won't work with this design) and then drop the hammer on that chambered round.

May just be me, but it's an issue in my mind. Yes, so long as you know the way it works it is fine but I don't think I own anything else that has to have the mag in it to eject.
 
I have the mag block style, locks in place with one Allen bolt, has always worked too. I also have the 9mm AR fire control group because my bolt isn’t ramped.
My RRA uses the set screw mag block as well. My bolt is ramped, but the idea is the same, I could use the ENDOMAG to fire my 9MM upper on other lowers. Specifically for me, my lower with the target trigger in it to accuracy test.

A very interesting concept for more versatility for all those old 9MM AR uppers on standard lowers with the mag blocks. No dedicated 9MM lowers back then.
 
I have young kids and novice shooters I teach and I want the weapon to eject a round with the magazine out as it should normally do. No, it's not a big deal if you understand the way it works but is a concern for me as it means I'll have to teach them that this particular AR platform has a different manual of arms than the others. I can see negligent discharges with this thing as lot as people will clear them "correctly" (which won't work with this design) and then drop the hammer on that chambered round.

May just be me, but it's an issue in my mind. Yes, so long as you know the way it works it is fine but I don't think I own anything else that has to have the mag in it to eject.
Like I said, you have the concept all wrong. I don’t see this as a training aid for new shooters. This is for the shooter that would like to get into a 9mm AR, but not have to spend the money for a new lower.
I don’t see shooters having negligent discharges unless they are not properly trained in safe handling of firearms. You always check the chamber and action to make sure they are clear before pulling the trigger.
 
Another vid:

Looks interesting.
Lately, I've have an urge for a Ruger PC9 Carbine.
I also have a few AR's sitting around collecting dust. ~Plenty~(!) of NIB PMags sitting around doing nothing,,,
Decisions, decisions,,,,,,
 
Pretty cool system. You can get an entire system to change a 223 mag to 9mm. I can't even find a decent
replacement mag spring for a PMR30. Go figure.
 
I posted the following the other day on Arfcom the other day:

Got my pre-ordered Endomags yesterday and set them up today. I have some new-in-wrap Pmags that have been sitting in a box on my shelf for a few years. So this was the first time they have been used.

The Endomag is initially set up for 10 rounds only. There is a plastic rib that limits how far the follower can travel. It’s also marked where to cut for (I think) 15, 20, and 30 rounds. I immediately chopped mine all for the full 30-round capacity.

The Endo-guts just slide in to replace the standard spring and follower. Reinstall the Pmag basepad and you’re done. I found I had to straighten the feed lips a bit, pushing them out a little to align over the Pmag’s lips. Once there I have not had to mess with them again.

To be honest, I’m a little skeptical about the ejector. It’s made from a somewhat soft, pliable plastic. I can’t help but wonder about it’s longevity.

It’s been raining pretty much all day here. I loaded up my three mags and headed out to the range. I’m running on a suppressed 5” upper, ramped bolt, and an SBR’d CMMG lower with a standard 9mm buffer.

Everything fed and functioned perfectly, and locked the bolt back after the last shot. That’s only one full load and empty per mag, but it’s certainly a good start. I was shooting reloads using 147 gr. Berry’s RN and WSF powder. My usual mag block (VM Hy-Tech) will feed anything, so long as it’s round nosed. I’ll have to try some TCs and HPs with the Endomags next time out. But the built in ramp looks like it will feed those just fine. We will see.

I’m also happy to report the ejectors on the endomags look untouched after 30 rounds each. Time will tell, but maybe they will hold up long term. I have to assume the Endo-folks did some extensive testing prior to releasing these things. So far so good.

More shooting to come, but so far I’m optimistic.

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L to R, all inserted into lowers: Endomag empty, Endomag loaded, Traditional mag block loaded.
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One oddity with the Endomags. Since the ejector is on the mag, you need to be sure to eject the last round or lock the bolt back before removing the mag.

Often, if I’m shooting and want to clear the gun before the mag is empty, I’ll pull the mag and shoot out the last round. In this instance, it will fire, cycle the bolt, and shove the empty case back into the chamber. The one time I did this, it boogered up the case mouth, making it fit really tight in the chamber.

Best bet is to manually hold down the bolt catch and fire or cycle by hand.

Just a little different than what we’re used to.

I can see someone dropping the mag, cycling the bolt to “show clear” and not realizing they still have a live one in the chamber.

Be careful folks.
 
@<*(((>< right... but take into account most people probably have a couple extra PMAGs floating around, the conversion isn't permanent, you can run endomag converted mags in any standard multi lower so you can easily switch it around to different stock/trigger setups you may already have, along with things I can't even think of, it all weighs in to the calculation.

I'm not a glock guy, so I did a quick search for "glock 33 round magazine" and picked the first vendor that came up in DuckDuckGo, which was Ammunition Depot. They're listed as $33/mag. so worst case based on your $ figures you're looking at $2/mag savings. if we take the price of a multi lower at $35, that's $115 price difference than on a glock specific AR lower. I would even go so far as to suggest that the savings are even higher, as the PMAG follower/spring/spring-plate could get used in your other PMAGs when you wear those parts out. If you are a glock guy already and have a bunch of compatible mags already floating around, I'd still say in the worst case you'd be able to buy 3 new PMAG/ENDOMAG sets before you'd start "saving" money.

personally i'm looking at this endomag kit as akin to the CMMG .22lr conversion kits. You stick your dedicated 9mm upper on any lower you own and you just slap in an endomag converted PMAG.
 
Gunny: What upper are you using?
I have a 9mm 8.5” upper I got got from Delta Team Tactical. I’ll put on my SBR or my 5.56 pistol lower when I try it out.

I saw those earlier when someone posted about them. But with PSA’s complete Glock lower for $150 on sale when they run it, it seems like a better deal.

https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa...lassic-lower-uses-glockr-style-516447190.html

By the time one buys a magpul at mag for $8-10 and then $25 for the endomag one is more than a 33 round Glock mag.
Who doesn’t already have Pmags sitting around the house?
 
if they could make one for square USGI mags I would probably buy an upper today. I bet the Ceiner type 22 conversion Full Body mags have outsold the conventional mags 100 to one by now.
 
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