the health mafia - uninvited guests

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State to check on residents' health

By Warren King
Seattle Times medical reporter

Washington state health officials will soon start asking detailed questions about the health of some state residents — and even give them brief physical exams.

The door-to-door survey of 1,100 randomly selected households across the state will try to learn more about our health, and especially about our risk for cardiovascular disease and diabetes, to better target preventive educational programs.

"We want to get a snapshot of [residents'] health ... and if we can't prevent the diseases, have early detection of them," said Dr. Juliet VanEenwyk, state epidemiologist for noninfectious diseases.

The Washington Adult Health Survey is sponsored by the state Department of Health and is designed to gather a cross section of state residents. The survey will begin late this month and will take about a year, VanEenwyk said.

Cardiovascular disease — including heart disease and stroke — is of particular interest because it's the leading cause of death, killing about 15,000 state residents a year.

About 1,500 people a year die of diabetes complications, and the number is steadily increasing.

Evidence abounds that many already have the diseases or are at risk. A statewide telephone survey last year found that about a quarter of adults have high blood pressure and more than a third have high cholesterol. And state health authorities estimate about one-fifth of adults are obese.
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Washington Adult Health Survey: www.doh.wa.gov/cfh/heart_stroke/wahs.htm

In this latest survey, selected participants will be asked about their access to health care and whether they have dental problems, osteoporosis, emphysema or cancer. Other questions will center on diet, medications and other risks for disease such as tobacco and alcohol use.

A nurse on each survey team will measure blood pressure, pulse, height, weight and waist size.

A blood sample will be taken to measure cholesterol and blood sugar.

A hair sample, to measure mercury levels, will be taken from women of childbearing age and participants 60 and older.

"We'll ask about fish consumption to see if certain types cause higher levels of mercury," said VanEenwyk.

Surveyors will wear yellow vests and carry photo identification.

Participants will be given a $45 gift card for their help in the survey. Officials are not seeking volunteers; participants are being chosen to represent the diverse population of the state.

The survey is being financed by an $800,000 grant from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Kansas and Arkansas also were awarded survey grants.

Warren King: 206-464-2247 or [email protected]
 
You will not get my blood with a needle, period end of story. You will not get me to answer question I do not want to. What is the penelty for refusal I wonder.
 
I suspect that there is a misunderstanding. The way I read it, it's more of a door to door survey, with a $45 gift card for helping. I don't see anything saying it's mandatory in any way. When they say they don't want volunteers, it's probably because that tends to draw certain segments of the population, rather than a true door to door survey would.

Then again, I'll admit I could be wrong and this is a violation to people's privacy.

Tom
 
Ironicly, Seattlites lead very healthy lifestyles compared to us in red [meat] states.

No penalty - yet.

All these nanny-state efforts begin as "voluntary." This bears watching.
Curbside recycling began that way. Now it can be a crime to put recyclables into the trash in Seattle.
 
Right you are, longeyes, beginning, it appears, in our nation's capital. :barf:

With postcards, banners, ads and even a rap song, the District opened an offensive against HIV yesterday with a campaign to get more than two-thirds of all residents tested for the virus.

D.C. officials have purchased 80,000 of the oral tests to distribute free and hope they need to reorder before year's end. Their target population is every resident ages 14 to 84 -- about 400,000 people.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/27/AR2006062701426.html
 
I wonder how many gift card recepients understand the hair samples are an excellent substrate for drug testing and the blood sample covers drugs and DNA.

I think they should "Just Say NO":D

S-
 
They already have all this info on me... it was required for my INS physical... but agencies do not or rarely share information between each other, this redundancy creates jobs, looks good for the people that create these jobs, and creates a facade of government employees actually doing something...

If they were going to set up a database they could do this the day you are born, as the placenta and various other "hazardous wastes" can be easilly sampled in the background while life is happening in the delivery/recovery room.

Eventually we'll be a X of Y, at node Z... people are easier to manage as cataloged & tagged chattel of the State.
 
I recieved a letter from the sate last month informing me that they would be calling sometime over the next week to interview me about the health of my household members. The letter never said anything about the survey being voluntary, but then it did not specifically say compliance was required by law either. It was obvious they were trying to make people think that they had to comply. I was really, really hoping to be the one to take the call so that I could let tham know exactly what I thought of their invasive "survey". Of course, my wife was the one to get the call. The conversation went something like this:

Wife: Hello?
Health Nazi: Blah, blah, blah, blah...
W: Sorry, I don't have time, I'm on my way out the door.
HN: This will only take a minute. Blah, blah, blah, blah....
W: No really, I have to go.
HN: Just answer a few questions. Blah, blah, blah, blah....
Click.

Thay have not called back. If they do I will let them know to bring the court order and some uniformed officers if they want any additional information.
 
In today's modern times, governments and corporations are becoming trickier and more clever than ever in collecting information from people who may have refused to offer it had they not been afraid not to do so. From threats of fines for refusing to answer detailed "census questionnaires" seeking extremely private information to "health concerns" being cited as a reason to collect DNA and other affirmative identification samples, people are turning over more and more information to more and more organizations and government agencies every day--information that can be used against them in ways they often cannot even imagine. They are also led to believe that imagining how such information can be dangerous in the hands of others amounts to paranoia, and that it should be avoided: "normal" people--that is, useful idiots and sheep, give out anything and submit to anything demanded of them, because they lack both the character to resist and the intelligence to realize that resistance is the wise course of action.

1. Never give out a DNA sample. Period. This means hair, saliva, urine, or anything else people can collect and get a sample from. If your job requires it, what are you doing in such a job? Go work for someone who treats you like a human being, and not a sheep to be tested and tagged, monitored and controlled.

2. Never volunteer information. This applies to everything in life, but especially to personal information.

3. Never submit to medical procedures you haven't yourself requested.

Those three things are a good start--there are many more things to do as well, if one wants to best protect oneself from these intrustions. Remember: knowledge is power. Make sure you have it, and never give it to people who can use it against you!
 
Thay have not called back. If they do I will let them know to bring the court order and some uniformed officers if they want any additional information.

Court order? You would obey a court order to disclose personal information to people who obviously have no business getting it?

How about a court order to surrender all of your dangerous firearms, and to accompany the nice agents that will come to bring you to the new "residence relocation facility?"

To paraphrase Darth Vader, you're "all too easy." The elites love people like that.
 
They come to my door the only personal information they will get is my shoe size by the print left on their fanny.

You think I am going to discuss my personal medical information with some bozo who shows up at my door? You're nuts!!

This is utterly disgusting.

Sounds like a good opportunity to F with people and waste their time.

I smoke 11 packs a day, drink a bottle of Jack for breakfast, mix heroin with my insuline for lunch and am slowly acclamating myself to blowfish toxin while I eat sushi for dinner.

My doctor says my liver is like tire rubber, my heart is ready to explode, my prostate is bigger than my head and I need a partial colon replacement due to some kinda fungus. Wanna see?
 
NYC and Diabetes

I remember hearing a story (on www.nranews.com) regarding those who go to the Dr. in NYC and receive a blood test for blood sugar. The results are sent to the city health department for anaylsis. If you are at risk the city CALLS you and COUNCILS you in a more proper life style.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean nobody is out to get you.
 
You guys seriously need to chill out. There's nothing unusual about this study and nowhere in the article does it say people have any obligation to participate. Studies are conducted like this all the time because it allows for a set of subjects that more accurately represent the population than having an open call for volunteers. It also expands the potential sample size because there are plenty of non-paranoid people who would be willing to participate in a survey but can't/don't want to go somewhere to do it.

In addition to all that, there are very strict and specific laws governing any kind of research involving human subjects. With a study like this, there is a consent form that the subjects sign, but there is no identifying information connecting the consent form to the data collected. In other words, your blood pressure, cholesterol levels, etc. are required to be kept anonymous.
 
Phetro - If there were a valid warrant requiring me to give this information then yes, I would comply. I am a law abiding citizen. I vote. I talk to my representatives. I try to be as aware and active in the running of my government as making a living and living a life allow me to be. If a law does get passed I don't agree with then I will comply and fight it in court. That is the way the country is supposed to work, at least as I understand it. The system is not great, and there are problems, but it's not so broken that I've given up on it.
 
NO way, get....er, wait, $45 you say? Will Wal-Mart accept it? Really?

A few hours later, Beren walks out of Wal-Mart with 4-5 9mm value packs!

Okay, so I sell out easy.
 
I believe it was Thomas Jefferson who said that 'A law that is immoral is unconstitutional and is null and void before it is passed' (not a perfect quote, but you have the idea).

Prime example:

Here a few days back I went and voted. Took my lil sister along with me. Inside the polling area there are signs stating that per TN law, no talking once you recieve your ballot, and you may not touch anyone else's. (Anyone who knows me, knows already how much fun I had repeatedly breaking those stupid laws.)

My lil sister, being the way she is, got about 3 seconds into it before forgetting who was worth voting for. (It was a large ballot, I don't normally bring print-offs, but even I needed it for all the races.) So, what does a big brother do? He verbally tells her who to vote for, then after he finishes, he hands her his while still talking to her. I was hoping that someone would tell me I could not verbally walk her through it, or let her hold mine. Then again, I was feeling particularly rebelious that day, I love having a Confederates spirit.

Why did I share that story? Because FREE people have not only the right, but the obligation to violate such laws. Whoever said he would comply with a court order to participate in such a door to door survey needs to consider whether he is free, or a happy slave.
 
1. Never give out a DNA sample. Period. This means hair, saliva, urine, or anything else people can collect and get a sample from. If your job requires it, what are you doing in such a job? Go work for someone who treats you like a human being, and not a sheep to be tested and tagged, monitored and controlled.

Every job I've had required a drug test. It is impossible to find employment anymore without it. The newest twist was my last job also required a credit check. They don't want to hire people with bad credit because statistics show they are more likely to quit or not do a good job.

There is a firm in Michigan that told employees if they smoke, even off the job or while on vacation, that they're fired. The justification was they wanted to cut health care costs. Employer was sued, and the employees lost. Some employees lost more than 10 years senority and pension benifits.
 
Every job I've had required a drug test. It is impossible to find employment anymore without it.
Not quite. Of all the various jobs in diverse industries I've held since entering the workforce in the mid 1980s, in only two has the issue of drug testing arisen. The first was a temp position I held in the bone factory (organ donor tissue processing) and that was only if I accepted a permanent position. It was a poor fit anyway so I bailed after two weeks. The 2nd was when my then employer was purchased by a multi-national. The new owners wanted to drug test the entire staff (150+ people), that was squashed when faced with losing a good chunk of their intellectual (research scientists) and skilled (degree'd prodution staff) labor in protest.

Drug testing is a deal breaker for me, I don't care HOW good the job pays. The only urine test anybody is gonna get out of me is a taste test. Hair/saliva testing as well.

Wanna do eye/hand coordination impairment testing to ensure fitness for duty? No problem, since that looks at all factors that could cause problems, including the biggie, fatigue.

Come to my door wanting me to answer medical questions and the like? Get ready to talk to the closed door.
There is a firm in Michigan that told employees if they smoke, even off the job or while on vacation, that they're fired. The justification was they wanted to cut health care costs.
Not an issue with me, since I pay for my health care and insurance coverage out of MY pocket, not the employers.
 
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