the most accurate "out of the counter" rifle and its price?

[H&Hhunter]

the most accurate out of the box rifle I've ever owned bar none is a Blaser R-93 Off Rroad Timber (synthetic). They can be had for around $1600.00 and they require no smithing what so ever. I also own a Styer Scout thatis ever bit aa accurate. Theyu are a bit more pricey however. i don't know what your budget is but the Blaser is a tack driving SOB.

 

[cratz2]

I'm not what I would consider an accomplished rifle shooter. I have several friends that make what I consider my 'good groups' look shotgun patterns. But since not many have commented specifically on the PSS you've asked about, here's my comments:

I had a 700 Police in 223. These groups were taken two years ago with a Harris bipod rest at 200 yards. Ammo was Black Hills 75 Gr BTHPs (heavy for the caliber). It was very cold and, though I was doing my best for the conditions, I have shot better groups with the same rifle and scope.

Further, I would add that of the lower priced rifles, the Savages are consistantly extremely accurate. I've personally seen Remingtons and Winchesters that were less than stunningly accurate out of the box but I don't think I can remember a Savage that wasn't at least 1 MOA accurate... Usually better after three or four ammos had been tried. But on the cheaper Savages, the stocks are kinda crappy and I'm still not convinced that I like the AccuTrigger. I like that it can be very easily made light, bit I'd rather not have that safety thing on a precision rifle. I've also had very consistantly good experience with Tikkas in the middle price ranges though I've never shot a heavy barrel Tikka.

Speaking of heavy barrels, I wouldn't dismiss the lighter barrels if you're looking for a rifle that can shoot a very accurate 3 shot group. If you're wanting to shoot 10 3-round groups in a half hour, then the heavy barrels start making a lot more sense but a factory heavy barrel Remington is no more or less accurate than a sporter weight Tikka.

 

[Murphster]

If you're not a reloader, the BOSS system on some Brownings allows you to tune the rifle barrel to the load.

 

[ShootAndHunt]

My budget is about $700~800 bucks for the rifle alone. Anything beyond $1000 is beyond my price range. Now I did some reading about the Savage 10FP and Tikka T3, both seem pretty nice to me. The problem is I have not handled neither of them or the Remington PSS/LTR, but I notice the available barrel length option is 20", 24", and 26", I prefer 24" since it is a nice balance. But is accuracy difference great in different barrel length? (The shoot range up to 600 - 800 yds is enough for me).

By the way, what is the 5R barrel on a Remington rifle, are they available over the counter?

I don't reload till this time since my wife cannot tolerate something dangerous (explosive) in our home. Is it really dangerous??? How much should I invest and what should I buy to reload? Hope I could persuade her one day, or I still have to pratice a lot using .22LR, .223 and 7.62x39.

 

[Mulliga]

Longer barrels are supposedly more accurate, but I've also heard this was a myth - the famous Steyr Scout, for example, had a 19" barrel, and it is plenty accurate (and also hella expensive).

Reloading isn't dangerous. To start, try an RCBS kit from http://www.midwayusa.com (click on "Reloading" and search for "RCBS kit"). Other companies like Lee make kits, too. It'll cost quite a bit at first, but after 1000 rounds of reloaded match-grade .308, you'll have paid for it.

 

[uglymofo]

I've just taken delivery and fired my .308 10FP. Only had time for two bona fide 5-shot groups after the all-day break-in process. .292" and .612" (without the single flier I threw it was a 4-shot group of .247") at 100yd.

I doubt very much if an OEM Remington 700 in any configuration or price can match that out of the box.

Accuracy at long ranges can suffer from short barrels--I wouldn't suggest a 20" Rem 700 for 1000yd, but at 300 yd, almost any length will do fine. The general rule (as I recall) is, for every inch lost, 50fps is lost in muzzle velocity.

If your wife is adamant about "explosives" in the home, I think you're relegated to .223, because it's cheaper to purchase (no way you're getting to 800yd though). If reloading is an option, and 800yd is the goal, I'd go .308, and if limits are ~$700, I'd choose some version of the Savage 10.

For rifle-reloading tooling up, I'd set aside $350 for everything, (scale, dies, ammo components, measuring tools, books, tumbler, etc.) based on a Rockchucker as your press. That's just a WAG for an estimate, but that's provided nothing you buy is junk, and you never buy 'up' to replace your initial purchases with better equipment i. e., better calipers, micrometer, scale, etc. You can do this for way less with a rudimentary Lee hand set (say $100 for everything less press and measuring tools), but they'll not be near 'accuracy' grade, nor time-efficient. You can save big bucks buying RCBS equipment as used (ala EBay). All of it is lifetime guaranteed except electronics, and that ploy can sometimes save up to 50%.

One thing no one's mentioned--a generally accepted axiom among serious riflemen is 'spend as much on the optics as you did on the rifle (at least)'. If you can't see it, you can't shoot it, and there ain't no miracle cure for 800 yard mirage from Simmons, Bushnell, Trashco and the like. Leupold is entry level for > 600yd, and some would say Leupold is entry level for any target at any distance, if one is serious. Burris is in my opinion, a better optic for less money.

 

[bogie]

The most accurate rifles are not "out of the box."

If you've got a grand to blow, give Bob White at Shooter's Corner (see his ad on benchrest.com under "complete rifles."

He's the largest seller of used benchrest/varmint equipment out there, and won't steer you wrong.

 

[BillL223]

I am very satisfied with my Remington LTR in .308. I covered its first 5 shot group @ 100 yds with a dime. My most impressive group was a 5 shot 3-1/2" group @ 500 yds. Rifle is consistently sub moa if I do my part and guess the wind right. With its 20" barrel and more compact stock, I find it more versital then the 700 P. The trigger was very good out of the box and was easy reduce the pull to about 2#.

 

[308win]

By the way, what is the 5R barrel on a Remington rifle, are they available over the counter?

The 5R barrel is manufactured for the Armed forces the rifling is cut at an angle (the land shoulders aren't 90 degrees) and there are five lands. The stated advantages include longer barrel life and better accuracy over the six land and LE barrels (which I believe are four land). They are not an over the counter item in the sense that a standard 700 is over the counter. Remington makes these under contract and run a limited number of extra rifles for the civilian market.

If I do my part mine will shoot under 1/2MOA and it isn't fussy about bullet weight although it seems to shoot better with Hornady than Nosler and doesn't like Reloader15 at all. It really likes 748 and BL2C though.

 

[tbige]

cookhj and Preacherman told you all you need to know in the first two replies: Savage or Tikka. Not only will be you an absurd premium for the Remington or Winchester, you'll pay even more to have a smith do what Savage and Tikka already include. For extreme accuracy, pleasant and inexpensive shooting, go with a .223. If any of your family wants to shoot, this is the round they, too, will most enjoy. Don't even think about 30-06.

 

[lycanthrope]

The Savage is a good gun. The Remington Sendero is also good. The Sendero comes with an aluminum bedded action (not known to most) and can be found with a heavy fluted barrel for around $800. If you want to modify the Remington has more choices.

 

[leslilxbolt270]

weatherby sub moa

what about weatherby sub moa rifles less than 1 moa from the factory or better most are closer to 1/2 moa and that is with factory ammo dealer price under $600

 

[JWF III]

I'd probably go ahead and spend $1100 and get a Cooper Classic.

So you want your hard earned money to go to the BHO campaign? Yeah I know, the election is over, but Cooper has to put that money back in the account.

On yeah, as for the OP, I'd go with a Savage for my first choice, with Tikka being a close second.

Wyman

 

[Uncle Mike]

Savage.
30-06, 270, 7mm-08 or if you must magnum, the .300 Winchester or WSM Mags.(270 or 300)

Savage... take it out of the box, scope it, sight it, shoot it, bag critters or punch paper, but you won't have to put additional monies into it to dring it up to snuff.

Probably one the most accurate out of the box production rifles made today. IMVHO

The Tikka's are also a fine rifle, and very aesthetic.

Of course it is all opinion, and what pleases one may not necessarily please the other, hop on over to your local gun emporium and fondle a few of the different models.

Good Day-

 

[FlyinBryan]

the most accurate over the counter when this thread was made might not be anymore.

one of those les baer 1/2moa gauranteed rifles might be in the running though.

and i do think they were around 5 years ago too, lol.

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

4. What are the most important features I should look at if I want a very accurate rifle?

I would say that the answer is an accuracy guarantee, so that you can exchange it, if it's not; that means:

T/C Icon
Tikka T3
Weatherby Vanguard Sub-MOA

come to mind; there may be others. Most Remingtons & Savages are gonna shoot very well, too, but there's no *guarantee*.

Take a look at the features of this rifle; best value going, IMO, and that's saying a lot in the ultra-competitive world of turnbolt rifles.

http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/icon.php

 

[JDGray]

Holy crap, the OP was made 5 1/2 years ago

Hope he found that rifle by now

 

[P.B.Walsh]

No kiddin'!!! (about finding his rifle)!!!!

 

[Uncle Mike]

Holy crap, the OP was made 5 1/2 years ago

Hope he found that rifle by now

Yea, me too.

WOW, kinda makes me stupid and contagious.

 

[dullh]

I only have experience with two makes - Remington (788 and 700) and Browning X-Bolts.

I bought an X-Bolt in 7mm-08, mounted a 2.5-10 x 50mm Monarch on it, bore sighted it and three days after purchase had it on a 100yd range. Actually dialed it in at 25 yds, took only one three-shot group, then out to 100 yds. No "running a cleaning rod down the barrel between groups" type crap - in fact no "break-in" procedure whatsoever. Fired 5 3-shot groups rested at 100 yds, the holes in 3 of the three groups all touched (actually overlapped), the two other 3-shot groups were each a jagged hole. Ammo was factory (Federal Vital-Shok with 140gr Nosler Ballistic Tip bullets)

No "break-in", nothing. Three days after purchase. New rifle, new scope. Groups that made me look good. I got bored to the point I quit shooting it and passed it over to a friend to have at it for a while. Boring repeatability. 50 rounds and took it home for a cleaning. If I had to give up all my rifles but could only keep one, the one I would keep is my Browning X-Bolt Hunter in 7mm-08.

$739 + tax for the basic rifle (no scope/rings). Limbsaver recoil pad work as advertised.

I didn't see the word "cheapest" in your thread title (the browning ain't!) so hope this helps.

 

[Armed012002]

Goes to show The High Road has been around for quite some time.

2004 doesn't seem like over 5 years ago.

 

[TeamRush]

I have to agree with the Savage varmint rifles.
Excellent trigger, very good action, very good barrel, with laminated wood stock they are real tack drivers right out of the box with proper break in and some cleaning!

 

[J99]

I'd suggest any of the Thompson Center line, Savage bolts are a reasonable price and all of them that I've shot are quite accurate

if you really want to go cheap get a New England single shot can be got in about any caliber I've shot deer in the forehead at 400 yards with my .243 version so they are plenty accurate

 

[J99]

I'd suggest any of the Thompson Center line, Savage bolts are a reasonable price and all of them that I've shot are quite accurate

if you really want to go cheap get a New England single shot can be got in about any caliber I've shot deer in the forehead at 400 yards with my .243 version so they are plenty accurate

 

[nathan]

Remington 788 in 6 mm . You can t go wrong with this setup. Leupold scopes and its all set.