the movie Shooter-i know you have all seen it...

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the kingdom was a good movie, a little long, and detailed but worth the wait...

thanks for title of the book, I'll have to order it for those out of town trips, when the hotel premium cable consists of no channels you desire to watch...



and about the shushing, my wife doesn't mind at all, it is the people around who could care less what really happened, or how it works or whatever. while at the same time sayin " i'da put a cap in dat ni@@&5 ass wit mah foety, while making a sideways motion holding a gun...

my reply is i'll give you three shots to hit me, i promise i will only return one....
 
sarduy said:
If you guys want to watch a very realistic gun movie, watch...


Black Hawk Down
The Kingdom
The Hurt Locker
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i'll agree with black hawk down and possibly the kingdom but if you're looking for any more than entertainment from "Hurt Locker" dont bother. It is entertaining but it is completely off when it comes to how EOD operates. My EOD buddies said the whole thing was a joke.

it does have some great scenes of an M82 in action though.
 
i want to know what power scope Swager is using to shoot the soup can....that he can even see the can at 1000 yards. i thought a sniper might consider a 10X scope max because of weight limitations and general bulk of the rifle. i have a 9X nikon prostaff on my .204 ruger and am certain the crosshair would cover the can at 500 yards.....i mean sure, i was hitting 12oz cans at 325 yards....but i could hardly see them and much farther out i wouldnt have been able to. :neener:



can someone post a pic of him lining up the sight on the soup can(it is pretty cool scene), then maybe use an object of known size in the scene to determine the field of view and translate that to whatever power scope he was using?
 
I've shot at 1000 yards with a Unertl 16x scope (externally adjustable target telescope) with a Remington 40 XB in 300 Win Mag with a sling. On that particular day I shot 3 Xs in a row and a few others later on. The X ring is 10 inches across I believe. Shooting moving targets the size of a human head - not likely! I have shot at moving targets out to 600 meters and it is possible to get body sized hits. My friend who was a civilian shooter - 45 years old shooting a 30-338 and he scored 200 (clean) with 15 Xs. The record at that time was 17 Xs out of 20 shots held by a USAMU shooter - I think.

The Shooter movie is just that, a movie - in the business, it is called "suspension of disbelief". The reason why they allow bipods in long range competition (some special events-F class) is because not everyone can shoot with a sling -- not even military snipers! Not every sniper is an expert long-range competitive shooter. Not every long-range competitive shooter is a sniper. A few men stand out as having been both, Carlos Hathcock was one such man.

I doubt that there is a sniper alive that can shoot with the consistency of a David Tubb.
 
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i do like a bipod, do you think a sling would be as capable as a bipod once someone became proficient with using it, not a pro or anything but just pretty good?
 
Good messup in the bourne ultimatum...

Towards the end when bourne is talking to the guy who tortured him or whatever, he is holding a gun to the guys head (a glock). Then there was a flashback for about 2 minutes, comes back, he's holding a sig to the guys head. :)
 
I've watched "Shooter" five or maybe six times and enjoy it for what it is ... a good story, cool firearms and the incredibly smokin' Sarah Fenn (played by Kate Mara) :D . My wife was the first to notice that Kate's top is see-through when she first meets Swagger ... naturally, I couldn't help but notice every time after that!! And what's up with Danny Glover's teeth ... with all his money you'd think that he could afford some decent dentures.

There are a number of firearms related errors, but the two errors that immediately jumped out at me are when Swagger says ...

"expect the bullet to be handmade, bronzed alloy, turned on a lathe, slightly lower ballistics coefficient, touch more slippery, that's what I would do."

Why would you LOWER the BC for a long range shot? A lower BC would result in a "less slippery" projectile.

"You know what it takes to make a shot at that range? Everything comes into play that far, humidity, elevation, temperature, wind, spin drift, the six to ten second flight time, even the Coriolis Effect, the spin of the earth, comes into play".

Humidity has ZERO affect on a bullet in flight. The Coriolis Effect has ZERO affect if you're shooting in a direction perpendicular to the earth's rotation, and negligible affect for the worse case scenario when you're shooting in a direction parallel to the earth's rotation. Either way, neither humidity nor the CE are relevant.

Still, I like the movie and will watch it many more times I'm sure.

:)
 
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Wouldn't a mixture of tempature and humidity determine air density? And IIRC, that is something important at those distances.
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Air density does have a significant effect on the drag on a bullet, and humid air is less dense than dry air, but the difference in density between dry air and saturated air is less than 0.5%.

Density altitude is the important, all-encompassing parameter. It's a function of elevation, temperature and atmospheric pressure ... humidity doesn't enter into it.

:)
 
how much diff could temp make at 200 yds....for my own reference. like maybe 20 degrees difference? just a genneral idea of extreme difference. working out longer shots with my 204 and looking for consistancy
 
so how about including the fact your hundreds of feet up on a tower, that makes determining drop a little different. i wonder if altitude differences would matter much
 
Air density does have a significant effect on the drag on a bullet, and humid air is less dense than dry air, but the difference in density between dry air and saturated air is less than 0.5%.

Density altitude is the important, all-encompassing parameter. It's a function of elevation, temperature and atmospheric pressure ... humidity doesn't enter into it.
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I learn new things every day here at THR, this is why i love it. :D
 
1858rem, just use any decent ballistics program to see how much difference 20°F makes. Also, you can see how much difference altitude makes. I've put quite a bit of effort into learning about density altitude and it's relevance to long range shooting. If you have a ballistic program, it's easy to generate a data card with the necessary corrections for 0 ft, 500 ft, 1000 ft, 1500 ft, 2000 ft etc. all the way up to 10,000 ft if so desired. The only trick is knowing what temperature, atmospheric and altitude values to enter in order to get convenient density altitude data.

:)
 
gvnwst said:
I learn new things every day here at THR, this is why i love it.
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Me too!! :) I've learned so much over the last 12 months (at no cost too) and one of the reasons why I get involved in some heated discussions is that it gets me looking through numerous books and revisiting many engineering topics that I haven't thought about in years. I can honestly say that I've progressed in my professional life as a result of being an active member on this board.

:)
 
Speaking of the Bourne Ultimatum (someone was), I liked how the last surviving assassin who cornered him on the roof waited until he was up all the stairs and onto the roof before racking his Beretta, or whatever it was. Jason Bourne has moked how many of your colleagues, and you're going to chase him with an unloaded chamber? Turn in your assassin card.
 
but rackin' the slide sounds so cool......same with shotguns, i think it takes away from the movie when they rack the slide several times without firing any rounds!! i watched jarhead last night and that was a crazy scene at the end when everyone opens fire at the sky
 
I highly recommend Arthur J. Pejsa's books and computer program on Ballistics. The man is an actual rocket scientist! He will tell you what does and does not have an effect on the bullet's flight. The mathematics is esoteric but he has simplified the formulas. They are transparent to us mortal humans but he explains some of it in his first book.
It use to take huge room sized super computers to do the calculations.
I have his book "Modern Practical Ballistics" and I intend to get his latest which is "New Exact Small Arms Ballistics: The Source Book for Riflemen".
No point speculating on what does or does not affect the bullet's flight get it from the man himself: http://www.pejsa.com/
 
I read the book and he some how cut the fireing pin shorter so that it wasn't possible for it to be his 300HH mag that shot the politician. Of course the movie had to follow the book for maybe 40 seconds. I some times watch movies and get so ticked off when they don't follow the book.
 
Guy's it's just a movie, I'm a driller and I could pick Armageddon apart all day long, but I don't. It's for entertainment not fact finding....
 
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