The NY Times speaks on gun control

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The following is excerpted from the Times editorial below:"But neither party’s leaders have shown any sign of stepping up their responsibilities."

Does anyone think that the silence of "party leaders", their "failure to step up to their responsibilities" might possibly arise from a more complete recognition of their responsibilities, among which are included the oath they undertook to Uphold, Suport and Defend The Constitution? Possibly they might also be concerned regarding what sort of ruling the USSC might come up with in Heller v. D.C., who knows? See what The Times has to say.

Gun Crazy

Published: March 1, 2008
The Valentine’s Day massacre at Northern Illinois University, like the killings at places such as Columbine High School and Virginia Tech, has evoked expressions of horror and sympathy and familiar questions about the killer’s motives and mental health. Atrocities like these make Americans feel angry and perhaps helpless.

Our political leaders are not helpless. They could match public shock with prompt, concerted and effective action to make mass shootings a less frequent fact of American life. But neither party’s leaders have shown any sign of stepping up their responsibilities. The latest campus carnage barely caused a ripple in presidential politics, where conventional wisdom dictates against actively advocating more stringent gun control laws.

No single measure or combination of measures can ensure that deranged individuals are prevented in every instance from shooting up a crowded classroom or shopping mall. But neither the absence of a perfect solution nor opposition from the powerful gun lobby is an excuse to do nothing — not when some 30 people are killed with guns every day in America. The rampage at the Northern Illinois campus was at least the sixth multiple murder in this country in just the first two weeks of February.

In a rare outbreak of reason on the subject of guns at the end of last year, Congress approved a measure worked out with the National Rifle Association to provide financial incentives for states and localities to share pertinent mental health records with the national database used to screen prospective gun buyers. But there are other practical steps the nation can take that would make it more difficult for dangerous people to obtain deadly firepower.

A short, smart public safety agenda would include:

¶ Requiring background checks for every gun purchase. That means closing the egregious loophole that permits unlicensed dealers to sell firearms at gun shows without conducting any background check.

¶ Limiting purchases to one gun a month in order to defeat traffickers who use straw purchasers to buy weapons in bulk and then resell them on the street.

¶ Once again banning the sale of military-style assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines like those used by the Virginia Tech and Northern Illinois University killers. These magazines would have been outlawed under the Federal Assault Weapons Ban, but President Bush and the Republican Congress recklessly let it expire in 2004 to please the gun lobby.

Along with health care, trade agreements and the war in Iraq, proposals to reduce the scourge of guns warrant open discussion and debate during the remaining months of the presidential campaign. Both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama favor stronger gun control, though it may be hard to tell from their campaign Web sites or speeches, which generally avoid the issue.

To his credit, John McCain, the likely Republican nominee, starred in television ads supporting state ballot initiatives in Oregon and Colorado to close the gun show loophole. Lately, though, he signed onto a Congressional brief urging the Supreme Court to use a case it is hearing this month to set a legal standard that could foreclose other needed gun restrictions that pose no real threat to the right to bear arms.

The Democrats should not be afraid to challenge Mr. McCain — or gun zealots’ wacky idea that the solution to campus mayhem is to arm teachers and students.
 
Once again banning the sale of military-style assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines like those used by the Virginia Tech and Northern Illinois University killers.

Except none of the guns in question were assault weapons... :banghead:
 
Wasn't the guy at NIU primarily wielding a shotgun?

Even in the case of high-capacity magazines, though, it's not like it takes more than three seconds for a prepared person to reload. Capacity is less important in a handgun, especially when a lack of return fire frees the shooter from needing to cover himself. Americans in Korea and Vietnam didn't seem to see the 7-round capacity of the 1911 as much of a limiting factor, unless they inexplicably kept their mouths shut about it.
 
Does anyone think that the silence of "party leaders", their "failure to step up to their responsibilities" might possibly arise from a more complete recognition of their responsibilities, among which are included the oath they undertook to Uphold, Suport and Defend The Constitution? Possibly they might also be concerned regarding what sort of ruling the USSC might come up with in Heller v. D.C., who knows?
I just always figured that the Dems were trying to keep quiet about gun control so that the so called 'gun vote' would stay home in November and give them an easy victory. If they play the gun control card now, they'll show their hand to the masses and the masses just might go out and vote. And they really don't want that to happen.
 
Look, I can explain it so that it makes perfect sense.

The editors of the NY times are advocates of a totalitarian system of government with unlimited power to "do good".

And they get to decide what's good.
 
It looks like they did a cut&paste from the Brady Bunch website.

Actually, two candidates did speak up. Hillary is trying to make herself sound like a 2A supporter, telling stories about target shooting with her dad, etc.

Obama, a former constitutional law professor, said that gun-ownership is an individual right, according to 2A. Then, in the next breath, he supported the DC gun ban. :scrutiny:

Can't swing a dead cat without hitting a pro-gun ultra-lib Democrat these days. ;)
 
they should buy themselves an island and form their own "nation". maybe buy one of Canada's arctic islands. sounds good to me.
 
I don't recall those types of shootings growing up. The liberals have run wild with their changes and "advancements" while destroying the values and morality. Things are coming home to roost and now they continue spouting their "wisdom".

No thanks, you can't report the news without your interpretation for the masses and I'm offended by your editorial. Perhaps a law limiting the reporting of these shootings is worth a try?

ETA--here's some Obama info:
Tens of millions of Americans hunt and fish. Millions more participate in a variety of shooting sports such as
sporting clays, skeet, and target ad trap shooting that may not necessarily involve hunting. Barack Obama
deeply respects America’s hunters and sportsmen, and he is committed to protecting their rights.
RESPECT FOR RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNERSHIP
Respect the Second Amendment: As a former constitutional law professor, Obama understands and believes
in the constitutional right of Americans to bear arms. While he believes that guns must be kept from criminals,
the mentally incompetent, and others who may pose a threat, he also believes that the rights of legitimate
hunters and other law-abiding Americans should be protected, including the right to purchase, own, transport,
and use guns for the purposes of hunting and target shooting. Accordingly, he supports enactment of the
National Instant Criminal Background Check System Improvement Act, which has the strong backing of the
National Rifle Association.
Promote Common Sense Gun Control: Obama supports common-sense measures to limit the occurrence of
gun violence that has taken the lives of too many Americans, particularly young people. He supports closing
the gun-show loophole and requiring mandatory background checks on purchasers at gun shows. That loophole
has been exploited by everyone from foreign terrorists to the Columbine High School shooters. Obama would
also improve the background check system across the country to make sure it catches everyone who should not
own guns, including the mentally ill. Fixing these problems would not impair the rights of hunters and other
lawful gun owners. Obama also believes that we have to make guns in this country child proof, so that kids
cannot handle them when an adult isn’t present. This is, again, a common-sense solution.
As a long-time resident and elected official of Chicago, Barack Obama has seen the impact of fully automatic
weapons in the hands of criminals. Thus, Senator Obama supports making permanent the expired federal
Assault Weapon Ban. These weapons, such as AK-47s, belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets.
These are also not weapons that are used by hunters and sportsmen.
Obama does not believe that these common sense measures would roll back the Second Amendment. He
believes that we can protect the rights of hunters and other lawful gun owners, while working to reduce gun
violence and making sure that guns do not fall into the hands of criminals or the mentally ill.
Paid for by Obama for America
 
This is the same New York Times who's agents supported Castro and Stalin. Specifically with the reporting of Herbert Matthews and Walter Durante. Everything they do is in furtherance of the central agenda.
 
While we're building a fence along the Mexican border, let's build one around California and New York City too.

Wait! Wait! WAIT!!! Let me get out of there first!
 
*sigh* Well, under the Bill of Rights they have the, um, right to say that. Doesn't make it any less... wacky. :p

Wacky. I wonder, what influenced the writer's diction that day?
 
gun zealots’ wacky idea that the solution to campus mayhem is to arm teachers and students.

Yes allowing people to shoulder the responsibility of thgeir own safety is crazy. Wacky! Heaven forbid we do something reasonable like restrict coverage of these events so that future shooters won't seek the media glorification for thier murder/suicide. Hey, we aren't forbidding all free speech, just asking for a reasonable restriction. If you don't give the murders a chance for immortality in print, they won't do it!
 
Not to start a war here or hijack a thread, but... The last assault weapons ban did rekindle my love of beautiful wood on a american, well made bolt actions and wonderful stainless revolvers. Only until recently did I start into polymer and aluminum. Just me...;)
 
OT from the OP, but it sure is chilling to see that Barack Obama and Wayne LaPierre agree that we need to keep guns out of the hands of "the mentally ill".

40% of American households own a gun or guns.

10% of adult American have a mental illness. By the way, some of these adults live in household with people who do not have a mental illness. Maybe 12-15% of Americans either have belong to a household with someone who has a mental illness.

I doubt that there's no overlap between the 40% and the 10+%

There's lots of areas where compromise is appropriate. Creating classes of banned citizens who have committed no crime and done no wrong is not an appropriate area.

Hm, didn't the NRA mail out ballots last month?
 
Before we get all hot and bothered at the NY Times, remember it was an editorial and not a news piece.
 
Before we get all hot and bothered at the NY Times, remember it was an editorial and not a news piece.
And that makes it better, HOW?

If they'd advocated the adoption of the "Fuehrerprinzip" as the governmental philosophy of the United States and called for the restarting of the "Final Solution", would that be any LESS objectionable because that's what they WANTED to happen as opposed to what was happening at this moment?
 
They have said over and over that the VT massacre was most likely unavoidable. No waiting periods, no one gun a month laws, no mental health laws, no assualt weapon bans would have changed anything.
 
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