The perfect optic for an AK-47 style or similar rifle

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

for the ultimak rail, or on pretty much any other EBR for that matter.

The new Trijicon "RMR". The Aimpoint battery may last 50,000 hours, but this one lasts even longer, as in, forever. Dunno about you, but I'm fired up about this sight.

http://www.trijicon.com/user/parts/parts_new.cfm?categoryID=13

 

[Coronach]

Tritium =/= forever.

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

Right, but I'm not relying on tritium at all; solely upon fiber optics. I don't even consider the tritium at all as a plus.

The question is, really,

9 MOA Amber dot:
http://www.trijicon.com/user/parts/products1.cfm?PartID=669&back_row=0&categoryID=13

Or 13 MOA Amber dot:
http://www.trijicon.com/user/parts/products1.cfm?PartID=668&back_row=0&categoryID=13

 

[H2O MAN]

I prefer the Micro optics from Aimpoint, their controls are more user friendly and the don't have that curved - TV tube looking glass.

 

[lipadj46]

I would take the Aimpoint Micro T1 myself. I don't like the open Trijicon reflex sights. I have not seen these but I am going by the RX30.

 

[conw]

=/= ≠ ≠

 

[Coronach]

HAHAHAHHA. nice, Conwict.

OK, Tritium ≠ forever, and fiber-optic ≠ effective illumination in all lighting conditions.

Mike

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

Anyone else like the looks of the RMR? I like the light weight particularly for a forward-mounted optic such as would be on an ultimak rail.

 

[lipadj46]

It looks cool, have you tried one out though? Some don't like them because the dot can be too dim and the tinted glass can be annoying. May not be an issue if you are used to using Trijicons though.

 

[Kind of Blued]

Is there a reason for all the spare plastic?

Maybe they needed it for design purposes...

 

[TechBrute]

If I had an AK, I'd probably lean towards this:

http://www.laruetactical.com/pics/laruetacticalak-irondot/laruetacticalak-irondot.html

ETA: Of course, I'll probably never own an AK, because I thought the big deal about them is that they were cheap rifles with cheap ammo, neither of which seems to be the case any more so I don't know what the draw it.

 

[rangerruck]

the extra goo is why the call it a ' ruggedized' ... no breaky. plus that flat screen would be waaaay to big on either a TEXASWEAPONSYSTEMS-c rail, or an ultimak rail, really.

 

[Hostile Amish]

Aimpoint.

 

[MTMilitiaman]

Ditto on the Larue IronDot. I just ordered one for my AK. If it can earn its playing time, it may replace the Kobra I have on the rifle now.

 

[SodiumBenzoate]

"Right, but I'm not relying on tritium at all; solely upon fiber optics. I don't even consider the tritium at all as a plus.

The question is, really,

9 MOA Amber dot:
http://www.trijicon.com/user/parts/p...&categoryID=13

Or 13 MOA Amber dot:
http://www.trijicon.com/user/parts/p...&categoryID=13"

You mean absurdly large dot or absurdly large dot?

I personally like 2 MOA dots.

 

[TechBrute]

I personally like 2 MOA dots.

Yeah, but it's an AK. 9MOA is all the precision you need.

 

[Shung]

anyone have seen this RMR on a rifle ? can't get an idea of the size of this thing..

 

[H2O MAN]

The Micro dot is about 3.5 MOA in size and the view is distortion free. Co witnessing the irons is a nice plus

 

[maskedman504]

The Micro dot is about 3.5 MOA in size and the view is distortion free. Co witnessing the irons is a nice plus

Could you mount it on your m1a and post a pic please?

 

[benEzra]

The question is, really,

9 MOA Amber dot:

Or 13 MOA Amber dot:

Smaller is better, IMO. The dot on my Kobra is 1.8 MOA. I'd think anything bigger than 4 or 5 MOA would make the optic hard to use between 100 and 300 yards. At even 200 yards, a 13 MOA dot is ~26 inches wide and will completely cover pretty much anything you would be be shooting at. At 300 yards, it covers a full meter.

Having said that, if you are getting the optic for close range shooting, the huge dot may not be such a drawback. Having never used one, I can't say.

ETA: Of course, I'll probably never own an AK, because I thought the big deal about them is that they were cheap rifles with cheap ammo, neither of which seems to be the case any more so I don't know what the draw it.

For me, the draw is simplicity, reliability under adverse conditions, versatility, and durability; I also like the industrial aesthetic. Back when it was cheap, economy was also a plus, but it wasn't the sole raison d'etre of the civilian AK.

 

[Dan Crocker]

I've really, really enjoyed my Kobra sight. It's not as good as the Trijicons or EOtechs, but for a sight that's rugged and weighs twice as much as it should, well, you can't beat it.

 

[H2O MAN]

maskedman504

Could you mount it on your m1a and post a pic please?

I don't own an m1a... would you like to see it on one of my M14s

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

What extra plastic do you mean? If you're talking about the clear part, that's the light-gathering FO part, which makes the thing work without batteries. Pretty darned necessary.

As for the LaRue sight that replaces the rear sight of the AK, that's intruiging, but (a) I don't think it would be sturdy, and (b) If I was gonna use a battery optic, it'd be an Aimpoint. The whole idea here (for me) is to have something small and light, AND get away from batteries.

Yeah, but it's an AK. 9MOA is all the precision you need.

ThisiswhatI'msayin.

Also, you CAN co-witness. In fact, getting the Tech Site rear sight and co-witnessing it with this RMR on an ultimak is pretty much the ultimate setup for a rough and dirty close-in fighting mo-sheen like an AK.

As for the RMR not working in all conditions, I'm calling BS. The FO gathers plenty of light to work in all conditions - it's self-regulating/self-adjusting, if it's anything at all like all the other Trijicon products. In fact, if it's so dark that you cannot see a dot from the FO (even if the tritium is DEAD), then it's so dark that you won't see ANYTHING, including a target to shoot at.

As for being more difficult to adjust the point of impact, yeah I guess, but really, how often are you gonna do that on a red dot. It's a set-it-and-forget-it thing on a rifle like an AK. Once it's on, it'll stay on. But if not, I've got a pocket screwdriver on my keychain, so....

I'll admit the Aimpoint Micros are mighty nice, and I can see their usefulness, and they are a close close 2nd place, but I don't like turning them on and off. This RMS is ALWAYS ready to fire, whether the rifles been in the closet for 20 years, or you've been in your stand for 20 minutes, or anywhere in between.

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

As for the RMR not working in all conditions, I'm calling BS. The FO gathers plenty of light to work in all conditions - it's self-regulating/self-adjusting, if it's anything at all like all the other Trijicon products. In fact, if it's so dark that you cannot see a dot from the FO (even if the tritium is DEAD), then it's so dark that you won't see ANYTHING, including a target to shoot at.

Really? Try setting up a target in a bright, sunlit area and then shoot from a darkened area towards the target.

What used to typically happen with the Reflex (and this appears to be similar in operation), is that the fiber optic would take in less ambient light and become dimmer and the dimmer amber reticle would disappear against the brightly lit (in amber light no less) target.

Alternatively, both you and the target can be in a dark area and you can light up the target with a high-powered weaponlight and see a similar effect.

To correct that with the Reflex, Trijicon started offering a polarizing filter that allowed you to basically make the glass dark enough that the reticle contrasted with the darker glass so you could use it. Of course, the problem there is that the darker glass also cut down on your view of the target through the sight.

The ACOGs have never had this problem because they have an etched reticle to fall back on if the illumination isn't bright enough; but the Reflex has always been plagued by it (which is why the Tripower had batteries).

I'm interested to see if Trijicon has corrected this in the latest generation Reflex and RMR; but I am skeptical.

 

[TechBrute]

I was about to say everything that Bart just said. Luckily I refreshed and saw his reply before typing it all out.

I have or have had the Trijicon Reflex, ACOG, Tri-Power, and Night Sights, so I am no stranger to their products. The Reflex was shockingly expensive for what it was. After buying one and using it for a while, I wondered how they ever sold any, and then I figured it was to people like me that didn't know any better.

On a side note, I'm pretty sure I had a reflex on top of my rifle when I met Bart at a gun show roughly 6 years ago.