The Pledge of Allegiance

[Double Maduro]

There was an interresting article in "The Oregonian" today about the history of the Pledge of Allegiance.

I posted it here with a link to the article, I even took the time to type the information in the side bar.

I thought people would like a little history.

I thought we could keep it nice and friendly and not go into the whole debate over what is right and wrong.

I was wrong, so I deleted the post.

Anyone who would like to see it for it's historical content may PM me with your e-mail addy and I will be happy to send it to you.

Sorry, I really didn't want to stir the hornets nest.


DM

 

[xdoctor]

Isn't it amazing how something like that can evolve over time to hold the spirit of a country and then be forced to de-evolve when liberals get ahold of it?

 

[Ransom]

they worried that immigrant children were pledging allegiance to the flags of their homelands, either "out of ignorance or deviously,"

Oh those evil school children!

 

[nomadboi]

First: why is this here? Belongs in political, if anywhere- not gun related.

Second: xdoctor, make up your mind- is change good, change bad, or just change that you happen to agree with good? If only people who believe in god are allowed to participate in our public school system, then you might as well take out the 'indivisible' from the pledge while you're at it.

Freedom of religion means free to chose- or not chose- as you see fit, and no religious beliefs should even be required by our government, federal, state, or local. RKBA isn't the only important right.

 

[TarpleyG]

Mods may as well lock this thread now 'cause it'll just turn ugly. Been there, done that.

Greg

 

[Rupestris]

I agree its better suited to APS but... since I'm here...

[from a fox news article]
Congress inserted "under God" at the height of the Cold War after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus, religious leaders and others who wanted to distinguish the United States from what they regarded as godless communism.

 

[thunder]

I've also read/heard that 'under God' was put to make sure the government never assumed a God-like position of authority. Such as always allowing freedom of religion and etc. but spurred on by this thread I check in on the issue and found this most likely not to be the case, or atleast not a main reason:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/264xqezm.asp

"IN ARRIVING AT ITS DECISION, the Court of Appeals placed great weight on the fact that Congress inserted the words "under God" into the pledge in 1954 as a means of advancing religion at a time when the nation was engaged in a battle against the doctrines of atheistic communism. The court further noted that when President Eisenhower signed the bill, he stated, "From this day forward, the millions of our schoolchildren will daily proclaim . . . the dedication of our Nation and our people to the Almighty." "

 

[Double Maduro]

Oh, how silly I am.

To be stupid enough to think that I could post an informational article here and not have it turn into a debate about God, and the American Way.

I thought that perhaps people might read the article and maybe read the book and gain some insight into one of the things that makes our country what it is.

I guess I thought everyone could indeed follow The High Road, just this once.

I am sorry,

Close it,

Lock it,

Burn it,

Forget I ever posted it, please.

DM

 

[RevDisk]

Better suited for APS.

My comment? I swear allegiance to the Constitution, not the flag. I respect the flag, but I don't worship it. Yes, I see it as being two different things. The Constitution is the ideals of this country, what we stand for, and the freedoms that make us what we are. The flag is the symbol of our govt, which is not the most freedom-friendly organization at times.

Just something to ponder, but would you prefer kids in school swearing allegiance to the govt, or to the Constitution?

 

[nomadboi]

Constitution, definitely. I'd also much rather have one of those in each classroom- kids might learn a little more when bored and gazing around the room.

While I still say it's not in the right forum, I admit to being surprised that the conversation has, for the most part, been pretty civil and interesting. Nifty.

 

[entropy]

Were that our schoolchildren (and yes, this includes my two) would take the same oath I took when enlisting, which was to protect the Constitution from all enemies both foreign and domestic.....

 

[Kim]

The real prpoblem we are facing with all these issues in schools is not that God is in the pledge, or prayer before a football game or religious studies taught. The problem is GOVERNMENT IN THE SCHOOLS. This is not going to go away until parents are FREE to decide what kind of school or education their children receive. The only way I see to solve this problem is the voucher system. Now the USSC has ruled these constitutional on a experimental basis. This needs to be expaned to all school monies. Give the power to the parents to send their children with a voucher to a secualar or sectarian schools of their choice. The people would be happy and more FREE. There is something about parents having to pay taxes for a school and having to send their children to a school that does not provide the basic kind of education they want for their children. It would also break the back of the NEA which would only improve education. Competition would be put into the system. This is the only way out of the situation. It think it is immoral in a free country for parents to be forced into the situation they are in. Very few are happy. Let a thousand flowers bloom in education. The market place of ideas and competition would work wonders. Guess which party is totally aganist this????????????

 

[pax]

*sigh*

Closed, for cause.

You could discuss it on APS, I guess.

pax