The Pledge of Allegiance

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On September 8, 1892 a Boston-based youth magazine "The Youth's Companion" published a 22-word recitation for school children to use during planned activities the following month to commemorate the 400th anniversary of Columbus' discovery of America. Under the title "The Pledge to the Flag", the composition was the earliest version of what we now know as the PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

The October 12, 1892 Columbus Day celebration of the 400th Anniversary of the discovery of America was planned for years in advance, and anticipated much as modern Americans look forward to and plan for the advent of a new century. The United States had recovered from most of the effects of its Civil War that began 30 years earlier, and people from around the world were flocking to the "Land of Opportunity". The previous year almost a half million immigrants had entered the United States through the Barge Office in Battery Park, New York and on New Years day of 1892 the new Federal Bureau of Receiving's station at Ellis Island had opened.

Two men interested in both education and planned Columbus Day celebrations around our Nation's 44 states were Francis Bellamy and James Upham. To this day it is still unknown which of the two men actually authored the words that were to become the Pledge of Allegiance. It was published anonymously and not copyrighted. James Upham was an employee of the Boston publishing firm that produced "The Youth's Companion" in which it first appeared. Francis Bellamy was an educator who served as chairman of the National committee of educators and civic leaders who were planning the Columbus Day activities. What we do know for certain is that the words first appeared in the September 8, 1892 issue of "The Youth's Companion", and a month later more than 12 million school children recited the words for the first time in schools across the nation. Our Pledge of Allegiance was born, but like anything new, it took many years to "reach maturity", and underwent several changes along the way. That first Pledge of Allegiance read:

I pledge allegiance to my Flag,
and to the Republic for which it stands:
one Nation indivisible,
With Liberty and Justice for all.

October 11, 1892


After the Columbus Day celebration the Pledge to the Flag became a popular daily routine in America's public schools, but gained little attention elsewhere for almost 25 years. Finally, on Flag Day - June 14, 1923, the Pledge received major attention from adults who had gathered for the first National Flag Conference in Washington, D.C. Here their Conference agenda took note of the wording in the Pledge. There was concern that, with the number of immigrants now living in the United States, there might be some confusion when the words "My Flag" were recited. To correct this the pledge was altered to read:

I pledge allegiance to my the
Flag of the United States,
and to the Republic for which it stands:
one Nation indivisible,
With Liberty and Justice for all.

June 14, 1923


The following year the wording was changed again to read:

I pledge allegiance to the Flag
of the United States of America,
and to the Republic for which it stands:
one Nation indivisible,
With Liberty and Justice for all.

June 14, 1924


The Pledge of Allegiance continued to be recited daily by children in schools across America, and gained heightened popularity among adults during the patriotic fervor created by World War II. It still was an "unofficial" pledge until June 22, 1942 when the United States Congress included the Pledge to the Flag in the United States Flag Code (Title 36). This was the first Official sanction given to the words that had been recited each day by children for almost fifty years. One year after receiving this official sanction, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that school children could not be forced to recite the Pledge as part of their daily routine. In 1945 the Pledge to the Flag received its official title as:

The Pledge of Allegiance

The last change in the Pledge of Allegiance occurred on June 14 (Flag Day), 1954 when President Dwight D. Eisenhower approved adding the words "under God". As he authorized this change he said:

"In this way we are reaffirming the transcendence of religious faith in America's heritage and future; in this way we shall constantly strengthen those spiritual weapons which forever will be our country's most powerful resource in peace and war."


This was the last change made to the Pledge of Allegiance. The 23 words what had been initially penned for a Columbus Day celebration now comprised a Thirty-one profession of loyalty and devotion to not only a flag, but to a way of life....the American ideal. Those words now read:

I pledge allegiance to the Flag
of the United States of America,
and to the Republic for which it stands:
one Nation under God, indivisible,
With Liberty and Justice for all.
June 14, 1954



In 1892, 1923, 1924 and 1954 the American people demonstrated enough concern about the actual words in the Pledge to make some necessary changes. Today there may be a tendency among many Americans to recite "by rote" with little thought for the words themselves. Before continuing with our tour, let's examine these 31 words a little more thoroughly.

I Pledge Allegiance I Promise to be faithful and true (Promise my loyalty)
to the flag to the emblem that stands for and represents
of the United States all 50 states, each of them individual, and individually represented on the flag
of America yet formed into a UNION of one Nation.
and to the Republic And I also pledge my loyalty to the Government that is itself a Republic, a form of government where the PEOPLE are sovereign,
for which it stands, this government also being represented by the Flag to which I promise loyalty.
one Nation under God, These 50 individual states are united as a single Republic under the Divine providence of God, "our most powerful resource" (according to the words of President Eisenhower)
Indivisible, and can not be separated. (This part of the original version of the pledge was written just 50 years after the beginning of the Civil War and demonstrates the unity sought in the years after that divisive period in our history)
with Liberty The people of this Nation being afforded the freedom to pursue "life, liberty, and happiness",
and Justice And each person entitled to be treated justly, fairly, and according to proper law and principle,
for All. And these principles afforded to EVERY AMERICAN, regardless of race, religion, color, creed, or any other criteria. Just as the flag represents 50 individual states that can not be divided or separated, this Nation represents millions of people who can not be separated or divided.

Thus it is that when you Pledge Allegiance to the United States Flag, You:
*Promise your loyalty to the Flag itself.
*Promise your loyalty to your own and the other 49 States.
*Promise your loyalty to the Government that unites us all,
Recognizing that we are ONE Nation under God,
That we can not or should not be divided or alone,
And understanding the right to Liberty and Justice belongs to ALL of us.

http://www.homeofheroes.com/hallofhe...fc_pledge.html
 
After You Recite That Pledge,

Try this one out, too:

"I pledge allegiance to the rights that made and keep me free. I will preserve and defend those rights for all who live in this nation; founded on the belief and principles that those rights are inalienable and essential to the pursuit and preservation of life, liberty, and happiness." B.E.Wood
 
Also of interest the pledge was written by a nationalist socialist and originally involved a nazi style salute until it was changed half way though ww2.
 
And the Pledge was put in that childrens magazine as reconstruction propaganda, to encourage children to think of the US as one indivisible nation rather than as a Union of sovereign States.

I believe the Pledge of Allegiance and what it represents are antithetical to the Declaration of Independence and what it represents. This is the 4th of July, and I celebrate those thirteen Colonies seceding from Great Britain and becoming free and independent States, not one big State or "indivisible nation".
 
The original post doesn't seem to state a point. There is little to debate in regard to the Pledge except the "under God" part, and that would lead to a closed thread that involves religion.
 
I always thought the pledge was kinda scary.. Why does anyone have to pledge "allegiance" to anything?

There's a quote from Last of the Mohicans movie that I always thought was great..

British Officer: You call yourself a patriot, and loyal subject to the Crown?
Hawkeye: I do not call myself subject to much at all.
 
crazed_ss said:
I always thought the pledge was kinda scary.. Why does anyone have to pledge "allegiance" to anything?

It is symbolic and patriotic at the same time; nothing to be scared of but definately something that every American should recite. Why? As an American you have more than most in the world; is it too much to be thankful for it and pledge your thankfulness? Far too many, in my opinion, never had to sacrifice and take America as a freeocracy wherein no rules apply and no thankfulness is due. The Pledge of Allegiance, similar to The National Anthem, are simply reminders that freedom is not free and liberty deserves our appreciation and devotion.
 
Honestly something about "The Pledge" has always bothered me. I still can't put my finger on it, at least not in any way I have the words to express.

Although that may just be a part of my natural reaction to being told to do something by people who have no real authority. It kinda results with the adoption of a "Make Me" attitude.
 
I think

even at 5 yrs old, I realized it was to gain control over me. Always thought the addition of "under God" spoiled the meter. As well as violating the 1st amendment.
 
hough damright said:
And the Pledge was put in that childrens magazine as reconstruction propaganda, to encourage children to think of the US as one indivisible nation rather than as a Union of sovereign States.

I believe the Pledge of Allegiance and what it represents are antithetical to the Declaration of Independence and what it represents. This is the 4th of July, and I celebrate those thirteen Colonies seceding from Great Britain and becoming free and independent States, not one big State or "indivisible nation".

You un-reconstructed secessionist!
 
How does it violate the first amendment?

It violates the "Wall of Seperation of Church and State" that isn't expressed or implied anywhere in 1A.

Congress shall make no LAW respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

Last time I checked the Pledge wasn't any kind of law.
 
It violates the "Wall of Seperation of Church and State" that isn't expressed or implied anywhere in 1A.

And the Second Amendment doesn't apply to an individual right :confused:

We read in these things what we want to read. Barring established ruling and monolithic precedent, best to state interpretations as reasoned opinion rather than fact.
 
For me, the US flag currently represents the human government of the best of many imperfect nations.

I do not swear fealty to the government of the United States or any other human nation. Moreover, I do not think the principles on which the United States was founded support such an oath of allegiance to the outward trappings of an ever-evolving government.

That said, as long as the pledge is not a required recitation, I don't care about it. Those who will say it, will say it. Those who won't, won't.
 
That said, as long as the pledge is not a required recitation, I don't care about it. Those who will say it, will say it. Those who won't, won't.

How do you feel about it being part of your children's indoctrination? I really don't think a young child will regard it as optional or resist it as standard procedure.
 
My son got in SOOOOO much trouble in his H.S. for refusing to say the Pledge every morning in his homeroom. (Yes, he was a troublemaker who could and did think about what it represented)

So we got to meet with the Dean yet again. When Jake defended his position (I thought it was a pretty good defense for a 16 year old to come up with) the school decided that if he would only stand up with the others (he could remain silent) they'd waive the angst & ire they had directed at him for his "disobediance". His points centered on the brainwashing, the religious addenda, the corrupt politicians who run things (even the schools) and the complete lack of respect for individual liberty or freedom that NOT reciting it reflected (hence, his punishment... 3 days off from school... he was soooo sad about that I tell ya).

The fact that he then chose to stand and turn his back to the flag, got him in more trouble. When he finally accepted the fact that good men and women died to protect those freedoms he took for granted, he at least would stand up and face the flag (as I had asked him to think about them and what they gave up for his freedom to be such a little jerk) and remain silent (and I hope, thought about other's sacrifices, but I'm sure he was thinking... nothing at all).

With time his position mellowed... somewhat. He still won't follow the masses and mindlessly recite just anything, but rather, we discuss what the words (symbols) mean and why others are so willing to be told what to do by the authorities.

At least his hair isn't dyed red, white or blue anymore.
 
I don't recite the pledge anymore. Not since I found out about it's history and purpose.

When questioned, I like to ask the questioner, "Do you think George Washington or Tom Jefferson would have recited it?"

(Both of those guys thought they were citizens of Virginia.)
 
RealGun said:
How do you feel about it being part of your children's indoctrination?

I am a little more worried about the "indoctrination" going on the classroom that wrongly teaches children that immorality is good, erroneous allegations that civil rights revolutionary Martin Luther King is our greatest American, and that religion is bad to worry about the possible ramifications of the pledge... Indeed, such things as "the pledge" never rise high in my worries about the failure of the American classroom!
 
And the Second Amendment doesn't apply to an individual right

You are refering to the leftist argument that "the people" in 2A refers to "The State" and not the individuals.

Next time a lefty/anti makes that point ask them if they believe that protests are illegal unless initiated by "The State".

1A ...or the right of the people peaceably to assemble,...

Ask if they would let the police search their home without a warrent.
4A The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers...

Ask them why the Tenth is redundant.

10A ...are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
 
Over the 4th my wife and I were guessing that the "indivisible" part of the pledge might have been a result of the War Between the States, but it turns out that was wrong.

In the process of looking around the internet I found this site which certainly has a different slant on the pledge and its origin.

http://rexcurry.net/index2.html

According to the information on this site the pledge was originally part of the socialist movement. The grand scheme of the originator was a military style society run by government without free enterprise. The original salute in the schools to the US flag was a Hitler type salute. The purpose was to condition children to socialsim and away from freedom by making them identify to groups rather than to individuality.
 
How do you feel about it being part of your children's indoctrination? I really don't think a young child will regard it as optional or resist it as standard procedure.
It's a great time to teach them about authority and that human authority isn't always perfect.

If you don't like the words they're saying in the pledge, spend some time with your kids and teach them why they shouldn't say them. Do a little parenting, scary as that may be. It isn't the end of the world for them to feel a little left out or to learn to be individuals. Learning that it's not a good thing to slavishly follow any authority will be a benefit when they grow up. Trust me.

And for the record, I've got some personal experience in being different than all the other little kiddies, not participating in "standard procedure" and telling the teacher so. I'm not all that special - if I could handle it, your kids can handle it and my kids can handle it.
 
Also of interest the pledge was written by a nationalist socialist and originally involved a nazi style salute until it was changed half way though ww2.

http://rexcurry.net/index2.html

According to the information on this site the pledge was originally part of the socialist movement. The grand scheme of the originator was a military style society run by government without free enterprise. The original salute in the schools to the US flag was a Hitler type salute. The purpose was to condition children to socialsim and away from freedom by making them identify to groups rather than to individuality.

I think it's important to keep in mind that of all the bad things the Nazi's did, their salute is near the bottom of the list. You can make the argument that the indoctrination into their whole mindset is what led to all the atrocities, but really, how big a part of the Nazi indoctrination is the salute? Would they suddenly be swell guys if they had a different salute, say a clenched fist over the heart?
 
I believe the Pledge of Allegiance and what it represents are antithetical to the Declaration of Independence and what it represents. This is the 4th of July, and I celebrate those thirteen Colonies seceding from Great Britain and becoming free and independent States, not one big State or "indivisible nation".
Exactly.

The founders' republic died in 1865 :(
 
I agree that the salute itself is only symbolic.

I guess what strikes me is that the USA was founded based on freedom being a very high value (life, liberty and the persuit of happiness). The pledge was written with the intent to subvert that liberty and substitute the socialist system. As a kid, I thought I was giving my approval to what the founding fathers attempted to create, and all the while some turd was trying to use that to psychologically condition me and to redirect my support to the authority his kind were trying to instituting.

Clearly government control of the people and the shifting of wealth out of the hands of the majority into the hands of the few has been the result while individual liberty has been eroded, so at least the plege must have successfully played its part. I think "my government, right or wrong" is a common attitude.
 
What does the original post have to do with guns? I thought everything here was supposed to be firearms related.
 
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