The Post-Star addresses pistol permit controversy

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To our readers,

We here at The Post-Star find ourselves in the unusual position of responding to the concerns of our readers about something that has not even been published in our newspaper or Web site.

In the past week, the amount of e-mails and general conversation in the community -- and in some cases around the state -- has reached such a pitch that we felt it was in everyone's best interest to address the concerns directly.

About a month ago one of our reporters submitted a Freedom of Information Law (FOIL) request to the county clerks in Warren, Washington and Saratoga counties asking for the names and towns of residence of all gun permit holders in their counties.

This immediately drew great concern from members of gun clubs and people with gun permits in general, a concern we totally understand.

FOIL requests are a regular part of the reporting process, especially when government bodies are reluctant to give up public information to which any citizen is entitled. It is the law of the land.

In this case, just filing the FOIL request seems to have touched a nerve.

We want to assure our readers that this newspaper takes its community service responsibility seriously when it comes to sensitive and private information. We always have and we always will.

Many have contacted us wanting to know what we are going to do with this information and why we wanted it.

We listened to those concerns and want to assure each and every person that we would never, ever do anything to endanger private citizens or make information conveniently available that might lead to a safety concern.

We also explained that we're in the process of gathering information for news stories, and that depending on what the FOIL request revealed, these stories could go in many different directions.

One potential story that could come out of this is finding out whether there is a database of convicted felons. We would run that database through the gun permit database in each county to find out if there are people who shouldn't have guns. This is a somewhat new development in journalism called computer assisted reporting. We think it would be an important story if it turned out that convicted felons showed up with gun permits. But we can't do that story without the gun permit database.

We have served communities in Warren, Washington and Saratoga counties for more than 100 years. We consider this newspaper an institution that is an important part of each and every community as a news source, a watchdog of government and an entity that seeks to serve our readers and make our communities better.

We also expect our government leaders to enforce the laws they were elected to uphold. We will continue to hold them to that standard, especially when it comes to the Freedom of Information Law.

We hope that our readers will support us in these endeavors, and we promise that we will continue to do our jobs responsibly and only for the greater good of the community.

Ken Tingley

Editor

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They can't have a weapon if they have a bad background. All the background check's buying the weapon and then to get the permit you have a in depth one and (in my state) you have to have 2 classes.(Basic Pistol Safety and CCW)

Attack the real problem like why todays society says its ok to commit crimes, kill law enforcement, rape, steal, cheat, and lie.:fire:

I'm sorry if I went to far if I need to I'll take it off.
 
I speak double speak... Let me translate

To our readers,

We here at The Post-Star find ourselves in the unusual position of responding to the concerns of our readers about something that has not even been published in our newspaper or Web site.

We got caught. Those who dropped dime us out will be fired if catch them.

In the past week, the amount of e-mails and general conversation in the community -- and in some cases around the state -- has reached such a pitch that we felt it was in everyone's best interest to address the concerns directly.

Normally we ignore you. But we are concerned about circulation and running a newspaper is becoming a dicey business in the information age.

About a month ago one of our reporters submitted a Freedom of Information Law (FOIL) request to the county clerks in Warren, Washington and Saratoga counties asking for the names and towns of residence of all gun permit holders in their counties.

This was a perfect way to continue supporting our socialist policies.

This immediately drew great concern from members of gun clubs and people with gun permits in general, a concern we totally understand.

You weirdos with guns are causing us trouble. Why can't you be normal? We only want is what is best for you. Don't you understand?

FOIL requests are a regular part of the reporting process, especially when government bodies are reluctant to give up public information to which any citizen is entitled. It is the law of the land.

This is perfectly legal. Go pound sand.

In this case, just filing the FOIL request seems to have touched a nerve.

Hmmm. Ok, pound sand but don't get mad at us, you were not supposed to find out until we published the story.

We want to assure our readers that this newspaper takes its community service responsibility seriously when it comes to sensitive and private information. We always have and we always will.

You can trust us. Like all media organizations in the US we are not souless whores who would sell our kids if the price were right. Even if it were for a whole lot.

Many have contacted us wanting to know what we are going to do with this information and why we wanted it.

Since you are all gun nuts you wouldn't understand but this is in your best interest.

We listened to those concerns and want to assure each and every person that we would never, ever do anything to endanger private citizens or make information conveniently available that might lead to a safety concern.

Especially since you still have guns and might make trouble for us. Once we disarm you then you know who will be first up against the wall.... But this is really for the children so why you are you against it? Do you hate children?

We also explained that we're in the process of gathering information for news stories, and that depending on what the FOIL request revealed, these stories could go in many different directions.

We are going to do whatever we like with your personal information. Go pound sand. Did you not hear us the first time?


One potential story that could come out of this is finding out whether there is a database of convicted felons. We would run that database through the gun permit database in each county to find out if there are people who shouldn't have guns. This is a somewhat new development in journalism called computer assisted reporting. We think it would be an important story if it turned out that convicted felons showed up with gun permits. But we can't do that story without the gun permit database.

We start with taking away the guns from the bad people first. We don't trust the government did a good job in keeping the bad guys away from guns because they always seem to have them.... see. They would not have guns if they were not on the list you know. We use computers for this. Computers are big boxes like news stands that have information in them. We just want to look at the information in the news stand and compare it to other information that we got from somewhere else that is much more reliable than what the police did. You don't trust the police do you? Exactly, I didn't think so.

We have served communities in Warren, Washington and Saratoga counties for more than 100 years. We consider this newspaper an institution that is an important part of each and every community as a news source, a watchdog of government and an entity that seeks to serve our readers and make our communities better.

We have been here forever. We are important. We do not fear you or anyone else. Buy our newspaper and like it.

We also expect our government leaders to enforce the laws they were elected to uphold. We will continue to hold them to that standard, especially when it comes to the Freedom of Information Law.

If the government does not do what we told them to do than we will sue. This is very American you know.

We hope that our readers will support us in these endeavors, and we promise that we will continue to do our jobs responsibly and only for the greater good of the community.

We know what is best for you. Stop being small minded and stop bothering us. If you are needed to serve the community you will be summoned.
 
Convicted felons are not going to apply for a CCW because they couldn't get it anyway.

Convicted felons are not going to buy a gun because they couldn't get it any way.

This newspaper is so full of it that i often wonder what they are thinking

How stupid do they think people are?
 
Titan, I think your version is much more accurate. I give you an A on this journalism linguistics test.
 
Frankly, after Titan6 made his post, I'm not sure if there is anything left to discuss. Seems like that artichoke got peeled!

Ash
 
Titan6,
When you are back in town I want you to sign a copy of that post. I've been laughing for about 10 minutes and had to get a kleenex for the tears!
 
The county could provide a list of permit holders with the names and addresses blacked out. This would provide the data necessary to count how many permit holders are in each county.

The paper could file a separate FOIL petition asking for a list of permit holders with felony records. This would (hopefully) come back 0 for each county.
 
That article is proof positive that we need to respond in exactly the same manner EVERY TIME these nimrods try to pull C**P like this. :fire:
 
Titan 6 must have worked in the newspaper business.
He was right on target with his translation, imho.

No, but my Mother did. She worked in publishing for more than 20 years. A very intelligent woman I lost her last year due to a sudden illness. She kept a .45 in the nightstand until she passed and never once bought off on all this liberal socialist crap these media monsters (hers employer was Gannett) espouse on a daily basis. I miss her every day.
 
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