The proper way to sell a handgun?

[kingpin008]

Gun laws don't make sense. Any attempt to make them make sense is a fools errand.

 

[mgkdrgn]

I wonder why, that doesn't really make any sense. A FTF is legal in your own state, but if you find a good deal while on vacation or business in a neighboring state, it's a no-go? That just sucks.

I came real close to doing just that, but the guy's pistols had already sold. What I bought instead was a big bunch of .44 magnum reloading supplies for cheap. Found an ad in one of thoe little "saver" type free papers.

And now we know the difference between "intrastate commerce" (which the feds do not control) and "interstate commerce" (which they do).

 

[Gracian's Hero]

Thanks, we need the cash, business has been slow and I want a raise in febuary.

I'm guessing you had to ship Nextdayair? It can get pricey, but there is a lot that goes in to moving packages that quickly.

Planes ain't cheap.

Sorry about that.I meant to say FedEx

 

[krs]

DocBoCook: "Did I read that right? that you can ship it inside your state without going to a ffl?"

Yes, but you still need to abide by the carrier's policies, and you may not do it via USPS.
(B8) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier? [Back]


A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30]

 

[krs]

OP:

I recently sold my first handgun online (and probably my last ) and the experience was anything but seamless. I was under the impression that an unlicensed person (a non-FFL entity, such as myself) was allowed to ship the firearm directly to the buyer's FFL dealer by using a carrier (UPS, FedEx) other than the postal service. When I contacted my buyer's FFL dealer to inquire about their shipping address, I was told that what I was trying to do was illegal, and that they would not accept shipment of the firearm unless it was done by an FFL dealer from my end. That left me no choice but to contact a couple of local FFL dealers that I have dealt with in the past so that I could ship out the handgun to my buyer and complete the transaction.

This is a fairly common situation. The receiving dealer was wrong in saying that his reception from a unlicensed person was illegal. He is required to record the source of any and all firearms which he receives and the easiest most sure way to do that is by recording the FFL number from where the gun came. However he can receive guns in other ways but must still make a traceable record of the source. This can be your identification - picture ID generally suffices. What, after all, licensee does he receive a gun from when he buys a gun from a walk-in owner? It would not be an FFL in most cases.

There are still dealers around the country who resent the onset of this internet disruption of their status quo. For many of them nothing will be as it was ever again. They resist by forming impediments to the new process; sometimes in the way you discovered, sometimes by charging large fees for their participation, sometimes by outright refusal.

Yes, you'd think that after some ten years of internet transactions these ostriches might have gotten hungry enough to pull their heads from........the sand and find new ways to make money from all of this. Some of them seem not to realize that internet sale and transfer of firearms offers them opportunitiies such as they've never dreamed of and that the savvy ones of them have become millionaires.

So then what do you do? Easy, find another dealer.