THe reason i like the .40 SW
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earlthegoat2
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Though that testing method is questionable that 40 cal Sig only scored 5 points higher than the Glock 26, a 9mm.
Given a choice based on carryability and that tests score, I would take the Glock every time. That test does not take into account different shooters strengths and weaknesses either and the list goes on and on as to the variable not in play there.
Im pretty sure I could have scored higher with MY particular Browning Hi Power.
Was this a veiled 9mm vs. 40 thread?
Given a choice based on carryability and that tests score, I would take the Glock every time. That test does not take into account different shooters strengths and weaknesses either and the list goes on and on as to the variable not in play there.
Im pretty sure I could have scored higher with MY particular Browning Hi Power.
Was this a veiled 9mm vs. 40 thread?
LeontheProfessional
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It is a very formidable cartridge which is why it is my favorite. It is also important to note that it had more knock down than the 357mag.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHlPBGDkxoY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHlPBGDkxoY&feature=related
I said I love the cartridge not the gun 
they scored the G26 on standard pressure 9mm, the S&W and Ruger on +P.
I watched a few others, entertaining videos but this inconsistency throws into question the value of the resulting scores.
edited to add: they scored the FNP-45 much higher than the others mentioned, despite being on the slowish end on time to first shot and only delivering 2 hits on their paper plate target inside of the total firing time allotted.. both relatively poor performances, compensated for in the scoring mechanism by a very strong weighting for the .45ACP cartridge.
fun to watch though, and there is useful data (at least if you trust he's a representative shooter), just the conclusions are IMO misleading.
I watched a few others, entertaining videos but this inconsistency throws into question the value of the resulting scores.
edited to add: they scored the FNP-45 much higher than the others mentioned, despite being on the slowish end on time to first shot and only delivering 2 hits on their paper plate target inside of the total firing time allotted.. both relatively poor performances, compensated for in the scoring mechanism by a very strong weighting for the .45ACP cartridge.
fun to watch though, and there is useful data (at least if you trust he's a representative shooter), just the conclusions are IMO misleading.
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LeontheProfessional
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Another quick note for all the haters. The 40 only scored 16 points lower than the 45 in knock down power. When you take into account the increased capacity of the 40 the 40 wins hand down.
benderx4
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In the correct platform (ie. one actually made for it), it's an awesome round! For example, the HK USP was actually designed around this caliber. The Browning HP, HK P7, and Beretta 92FS were orginally made for the 9mm and then adapted to work with the 40SW. Makes a BIG difference!
LeontheProfessional
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I understand that it does not have the same energy but look at the knock down power.
I do not really know what you mean by "knock-down power"...I can only tell you that against an angry mountain lion or black bear I rather have a full power 357 Mag than a full power 40 S&W (assuming proper bullets for the situation)...the 357 hits harder and with a bullet of higher SD.
LeontheProfessional
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I would much rather have the 357 against a bear or mountain lion but I think these test were done for humans not animals.
MikePGS
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...you guys know this is all subjective, right?
It is the same thing...bullets kill by quickly incapacitating the target by tissue disruption/blood loss and reaching vitals (CNS hits are the only guarantee stop against an animal charge)
Assuming, for simplicity, a hardcast bullet for both, the higher energy and higher SD of the 357 Mag pill allows it to penetrate deeper from any angle.
Assuming, for simplicity, a hardcast bullet for both, the higher energy and higher SD of the 357 Mag pill allows it to penetrate deeper from any angle.
LeontheProfessional
In that clip they do not specify how they define "knock-down" power....it is a somewhat fuzzy, subjective term....penetration, bullet weight and SD are had cold numbers..
However I bet the rating in that video is for the usual run of the mill commercial mild self defence HP 357 Mag load not a full power one (Buffalo Bore, Double Tap, Grizzly Cartridge or Corbon for example).
In that clip they do not specify how they define "knock-down" power....it is a somewhat fuzzy, subjective term....penetration, bullet weight and SD are had cold numbers..
However I bet the rating in that video is for the usual run of the mill commercial mild self defence HP 357 Mag load not a full power one (Buffalo Bore, Double Tap, Grizzly Cartridge or Corbon for example).
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wow6599
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Just get the original.......10mm
LeontheProfessional
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You are probably right.
earlthegoat2
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So what do you get when you take into account the increased capacity of a 9mm like the XDm, or SR9, or the HP with the 15 round magazine?
Autolycus
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Give me a 9mm for two legged predators. But for four legged ones I would like a .357 Magnum or a 10mm for smaller four legged animals.
christcorp
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There is no such thing as "knock down power". In order for there to be enough power to physically knock down the person being shot, it would have more power in reverse (because of loss reaching the target) and knock down the person shooting the gun.
Aside from that misunderstanding, the 45acp is a better caliber because it's a larger hole, thus causing more blood loss and the increased possibility of hitting a vital spot. Along with it's greater mass which will have better penetration. Not necessarily more, but better. And the 357 magnum, head to head, with the same weight bullet, will usually be a more powerful cartridge because of the revolver and the hotter loading. And anything you load the 40sw to, you can load the 357 magnum hotter. The 40 has a slight diameter advantage over the 357, but not significant considering the bullet weights are the same and the 357 is loaded hotter.
The 40 is better for people who aren't comfortable hitting their target with 6-8 rounds. If you are comfortable shooting a revolver and 6 rounds, or a semi-auto with 7-8 rounds, then the 357 magnum and 45acp are better calibers. If you aren't comfortable hitting your target, need a lot more rounds to compensate, or want to audition for lethal weapon pt6, then the 40sw is a much better caliber.
Aside from that misunderstanding, the 45acp is a better caliber because it's a larger hole, thus causing more blood loss and the increased possibility of hitting a vital spot. Along with it's greater mass which will have better penetration. Not necessarily more, but better. And the 357 magnum, head to head, with the same weight bullet, will usually be a more powerful cartridge because of the revolver and the hotter loading. And anything you load the 40sw to, you can load the 357 magnum hotter. The 40 has a slight diameter advantage over the 357, but not significant considering the bullet weights are the same and the 357 is loaded hotter.
The 40 is better for people who aren't comfortable hitting their target with 6-8 rounds. If you are comfortable shooting a revolver and 6 rounds, or a semi-auto with 7-8 rounds, then the 357 magnum and 45acp are better calibers. If you aren't comfortable hitting your target, need a lot more rounds to compensate, or want to audition for lethal weapon pt6, then the 40sw is a much better caliber.
hogshead
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How much knockdown power does a baseball bat have?
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