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The revolver or Semi auto. you absolutely won't add to your collection?

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  1. rskent

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    I really don’t see me adding any new handguns that don’t say Glock on the slide.

    So, no 1911’s, no Sigs, no revolvers. I have a few of each. I just don’t see taking up

    valuable space in my safe for anything that is not Glock perfection. Plastic Rules!
     
  2. Decoy80

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    What could I possibly say that isn't covered here. I was surprised when I read one post that threw all Sig's out too.
    What a read too, OP you sure struck a nerve or two lol
     
  3. saturno_v

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    For me:

    - No Glocks or any of the tupperware full size pistols.
    - No full size handgun with no external hammer.
    - No sub 9mm handguns (what's the point??) other than 22 LR for target/plinking.
    - No "western style" revolvers.
    - No EAA products
    - No Chiappa products or any other junk guns.
     
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  4. Shae1324

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    I purchased a High Point .45 from my brother in law for $50 bucks when he fell on hard times. I only did it to help him out in a bind, I'd have just loaned him fifty bucks if he had asked. On a whim I took it to the range later that week to find out what all the hate is about and it absolutely chewed through 50 rounds of the cheapest ammo I could find. Not a single FTF or FTE in the bunch. So then I ran some steel cartridges through it, same thing. It fired everything I put through it, even some nasty, corroded reloads I had laying around. Shocked the hell out of me. I sold it two days later for $100 bucks to a guy looking for cheap carry. I know High Point had some issues in the early models, but whatever was wrong they have improved on it. And that's coming from a total snob. All in all, it's better than nothing at all. Would I go pick one out for myself? Absolutely not. But I no longer turn my nose up at them either.
     
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  5. Decoy80

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    I like what Shae says about the High Point.
    Those same words could apply to other brands of firearms ad well.
    I have no reason to doubt his words, nor do I have reason or experience of dealings with Shae to believe it.
    Just this,what he says seems to have the ring of truth to it and plain old common sense would not discount it. Knowing how quality of products varies even the cheapest manufacturer makes a good one even though a fluke. I like guns. Do I have favorites,of course. Circumstances will determine what firearm is next up for adoption and when and if one will leave or stay. Correct me if I missed a reply but I love my Sig 220 but one person threw all Sigs in the cull pile.
    If I were going to have to cull one, I would regret bashing the brand as then the sale or trade might hinge on my words,and not the firearm and its own appeal or merits. Happy safe shooting and collecting.
    2 A is a beautiful thing as it has blessed us with such a wonderful problem as gun ownership poses with the plethora of choices available these days. Only in America free men stand,while subjects kneel and have no rights, in other country's of our world today.
     
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  6. MachIVshooter

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    Chiappa Rhino

    HK VP70

    Both are just plain too ugly to have any place in my collection
     
  7. rskent

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    Just trying to wind up the Glock haters club. In retrospect probably not my finest hour.

    To be clear, I have three Sigs that are not going anywhere. I don’t think I need another.
     
  8. GBExpat

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  9. Tirod

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    I've learned that allowing your prejudices to control an analysis of what gun meets your specific needs and tasks is basically catering to your emotional "feelz." It's like being attracted to a woman who's had three husbands die in unusual circumstances but she's got this really cute smile. Sometimes we cater to our emotional assessment rather than just think logically thru it.

    If you need a car, have four children and a wife, to you go out and buy a used Miata for the days when you are off and she has the van? Oh, yeah, we actually see that here. It's not quite that obvious but plenty of shooters make excuses or justify a major disconnect because "this thing" involved with the gun. And lately the rationalizations are less well reasoned than ever.

    If you had no other choice for protection but to buy either a P320 without the new trigger, meaning it might possibly go off if you drop it from four feet oriented at a certain precise angle - or a nice NAA .25 ACP - and the task was to carry it in a field holster to put down African game, I'd read here that some would still chose the .25. Because "drop safety." The reality is that you could carry the larger firearm and never suffer the problem, but pocket carry the .25 in the field? It would be inadequate for the job. People would say the SIGs issue is too important to ignore. What they are really saying it that they assess it with too much importance and allow it to outweigh a decision on what fits ballistically.

    We get posts like that almost daily all over the nets.

    "I won't buy their guns, they are part of the Moonies." Nope, not actually, but ok. Take it at face value. Would you prefer to buy a gun from people who will sell you a Thompson, Desert Eagle, or Kahr for self defense, which obviously means they trust you to use them correctly? Or a gun maker who is only contributing badly made beta introductions with no track record of performance? Sadly, people flock to the latter. I'd say the Moonies are a better friend of my firearm rights, vs the Calfornia Teachers Union who still can't sell off their Remington stock fast enough.

    How bout them feelz?

    Nope, just specify what the gun needs to do. Leave out Brand until its the absolute last thing to decide. If your gun needs to be professional grade about reloading - then it will have a slide release and load from a locked back slide. If it needs a good trigger - why then even consider a gun with a 12 pound factory trigger which then needs another aftermarket kit for $99 to get it back down to 6 pounds? If you are looking for a soft shooter for the range, why consider a small polymer gun when a used stainless duty grade gun would be superior? Really? Go shoot a LCP and a .45ACP 100 rounds and get back to me on that. No, you don't need to practice with a mouse gun when a larger frame takes the punishment and ingrains a better reaction. The mouse gun will more likely teach you bad habits. You will be fine if you really need it.

    Feelz is an enemy of logic, and when you allow it to make decisions, you allow the wrong reasons to dominate your thinking. It's really no different than selecting a lifetime spouse - and we can see what the current track record is on that effort. All the wrong reasons are being used and no real thought put to the process. It's just cheaper and easier to trade off guns - or cars, for that matter.

    It's what we all read in the forums "Hey, Im looking for a long range shooter to hit mountain goat at one mile. I live in northwest Arkansas. I saw SIG has the MCX, would it be a good gun for that? "

    Let's be honest, some of us come here for the lulz. This thread is certainly delivering.
     
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    Anything that impresses upon me as being "cheap", not to be confused with inexpensive. I'll spend all day with my $75 Mossberg 340 but you'll never talk me into a HiPoint or Rough Rider.
     
  11. CraigC
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    Who says you can't shoot them? Don't sell the commemoratives short. They are often a less expensive way into a more scarce configuration, higher than standard finishes or odd chamberings. Just a couple months ago I procured a Winchester Legendary Frontiersmen .38-55 that was NIB. It's a light and nimble 24" round barreled gun that's under 7lbs with a silver plated receiver and extra fancy wood. It's been fitted with a Williams Foolproof receiver sight, the bore slugged and handloads will be assembled to hopefully use this deer season. Same goes for Colt commemoratives, lots of neat 2nd generation guns that go for less than standard models.
     
  12. Riomouse911

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    Commemorative's are neat, but they really aren't anything more than the base gun will give you...minus the fanciness in wood or finishes, most have an higher original-sale extra cost, and all will take a massive hit once they're fired/used/marred when you try to sell on the resale market. No one I have talked to really wants a used commemorative over a regular used model. My dad bought and hunted several times with a golden spike commemorative 1894, rather than just buying the standard one (or even an XTR with the checkered stocks, etc.). Now it looks like crap where the "gold" parts are tarnished from use, scratches on the pretty stock, etc. It can't be worth half what an unadorned 1894 is worth (I have 3 others of those; 2 .30-30 and a .44 mag trapper), and sadly, if it was a standard 1894 I doubt it would look so used. I am seriously considering sending it to be cut down to 16.25" and then refinished in Cerakote just to cover up the gold-gaudiness and make it semi-useful to me.

    He also gave me two Ducks Unlimited dinner shotguns; an 870 LW 20 gauge that is just slightly gold-filled and engraved, and a Beretta Semi-auto 12 gauge that is done up to the nines with engraving, gold inlay, etc. I won't touch these guns because they're perfect; unmarked and unfired, which is a real waste because they would probably be really nice shooters.

    I know they're the real deal when it comes to firearms and they work just as well as the standard models, but just like rare stamps, comics, baseball cards etc... they just aren't my cup of tea because I don't like having something I am afraid to damage or ruin with handling or use.

    Stay safe! :thumbup:
     
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    I'm not suggesting anyone get in their time machine and go back for one. Quite the contrary. Because they are not the collectibles that they were intended to be, they are often more affordable than more collectible standard offerings. Try pricing a really nice original 1894 in a 24" .38-55 with high grade wood. With plain wood, they're going to start at about double what I paid for the commemorative. The new production 94's are still more expensive with plain wood and a stupid tang safety/rebounding hammer action.

    The higher grade wood and fancy finishes are kinda the point. If all you want is a leveraction .30-30 to go bang and kill deer, then it makes more sense to get a $400 used standard carbine. However, if you love leverguns and like them with upgraded wood and finishes or oddball chamberings and configurations not available otherwise, they are an excellent alternative.

    Same applies to Colt SAA commemoratives. Really nice NIB 2nd generation guns are available for about the same as your average used standard production 2nd generation gun. Sometimes less. I'm looking at one right now that is priced several hundred dollars less than a new production 3rd generation.

    Sorry but I never understood the "too nice to shoot" mindset. IMHO, this kind of thing is too expensive NOT to shoot. I carry my $5400 engraved custom Ruger and $3500 engraved Open Top in belt holsters, bird hunt with a $4000 Merkel and am itching to get to the woods with a $2600 custom long rifle bought this week to replace a $600 factory gun with a cracked stock. Life is too short to leave nice guns lingering in the safe.
     
  14. Mike J

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    Interesting thread. I had a Rough Rider. I sold it and an old shotgun because there was something nicer I wanted. The Rough Rider was actually a decent plinker. I thought about buying a Hi-Point once but it was just because I was at a gun show & a dealer there was selling them for $99 NIB. I decided against it because when I questioned myself about it I realized I didn't really want one. I just wanted to buy one because it was inexpensive. I have read so many posts saying they work well I tend to believe them though.

    Personally I don't care to own a Raven, Jennings, Phoenix, Jimenez anything. I don't like the idea of what I think are gimmick guns like the Taurus Judge. I don't like the itty bitty .380's & pretty much don't have interest in .380 anything.

    I pretty much have what I "need" for now but there are a couple of things I am interested in. It seems like there is always that one more........
     
  15. kBob

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    The only guns I would not add would be stolen guns.

    For a bit in my teaching box I had one of the little RG .22 short revolvers. I used it as an example of "What not to buy or carry or even keep in the night stand" thus it had use to me. I passed it along to another instructor when I quit teaching often. Also had a Jennings .22 LR in there for a bit. Original owner asked for it back when he found a new magazine. I also had the RG .38 SPL DA in the box and actually shot it with some of my very light loaded WC loads on occasion and once let a student that had considered buying one shoot those in it.......he decided to look at better pistols.

    I don't know about American Gun writers, but will say in 1982 when Frankonia was selling CZs of all types as quick as they could get them from the Czechs and their custom shop was building race guns on the CZ75 they were considered top of the line.

    The CZ75 I importred as a returning serviceman about that time continues to be among my favorite semi auto handguns. Among my most reliable and accurate as well.

    Different strokes for different folks I guess.

    Nope, can not think of a brand or make I would not add to the collection. Might not carry it or depend on it, but add to collection , sure.

    I was kind of hoping "Gun Free Zone" meant an area you go to get free guns..........

    -kBob
     
  16. walnut1704

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    I can't think of any. Many of those listed so far I have no experience with so I can't comment. Being of a certain age, I started shooting with revolvers. For purely political reasons I swore of S&W's for a long time, but I do have several non-lock revolvers. I broke my boycott when I bought a 22a-1 a couple of years ago. They've changed hands anyways and I figured after 15 years I could let it go. Still don't have one with a lock. But then I don't need any more DA revolvers.

    Taurus? not my favorite but you can find them cheap and for the most part the half a dozen I've had have been fine. One did go back but was returned functioning better than new. I have one 9mm with thousands of trouble free rounds through it. I have a revolver that had over-sized throats so it's not very accurate but it's minute-of-bad-guy for sure. These two often go places I don't wish to risk taking something more valuable to me. They are serviceable and if one of them fell out of the boat I'd probably just laugh. Then go get another.

    Single actions? I have one Ruger. Kind of don't like the lock-time but all the other positive qualities make up for it. Dang thing is a brute. CZ's? Never owned or shot one but Jeff Cooper liked them (except for the caliber) a lot. 1911's? Yeah I get it. But I've always said these are the autos for revolver guys. I have a couple. They have a lot of character, or soul, or whatever you want to call it. Unlike the Glock. Glocks strike me as having no soul. But apparently they are extremely efficient bullet delivery systems. I've shot a couple and wouldn't pay retail for one but I'll probably own one eventually just because they are everywhere. Great gun for a beginner though. I'm not wild about the triggers on striker fired guns but that's because of my past. If I was starting out now I probably wouldn't have anything else. That's the way the market has gone.

    Really, I'd own or purchase just about anything given the right circumstances. Even the ones that don't work out for me, I learn from. I've often said that the real problem is that inexperienced shooters buying inexpensive guns.

    Less refined guns are for experts, not beginners. Beginners need all the help they can get. They don't need the distraction of malfunctions, bad triggers, and poor sights. Those with a lot of experience can deal with those things one way or another. Like many here I have multiple guns, so if one's not working as it should I can deal with it all in good time, I have others to shoot in the meantime.
     
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    I'll probably anger some here, but no 1911 patterns. Owned two, a full size Colt commercial circa 67-68 and a Series 70 Commander that refused to fire more than three times in a row with factory mags. Only found two that worked, old surplus 8 rounders, and it would only fire Winchester 230g ball.
    Ditto for any S&W auto 39/59 series or their progeny. Wheelgun yes, but never had a good experience with their autos.
     
  18. Jonesy814

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    No single action revolvers for me. I don’t care for the look of them. Blackhawks are the ugliest of the bunch
     
  19. valnar

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    No (more) 1911's. I have one Dan Wesson, and while it's the best of the bunch, the 'best' in this case makes it barely tolerable. I only keep it for the SA trigger.
    No Glocks
    No Rugers
     
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    Accurate, reliable, and make most other guns feel to me like the box that a CZ came in. I love CZs. My experiences with all 5 of mine have been stellar, to the point that I've sold several of my other handguns including my Kimber 1911, Beretta 92SB, HK P2000, and a few others because I liked the CZs so much the others would probably never get out of the safe again.

    Regarding the OP's question, I seriously doubt I'll ever own another HK, possibly no other plastic gun either (but I might try a CZ someday).
     
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    Having had the opportunity to handle and shoot the Highpoint, I concur whole hearetly. They're carbines aren't much better, but those pistols. Yuck!
     
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    Any of the Ruger revolvers. Simply do not care for the styling, the fit or finish. Yeah, they are solid and relatively cheap...but still a S&W guy.

    Which brings me to S&W....None of the modern Smiths appeal either, short of a few of the J frames. The rest have changed so much now, the LOK, recontoured frames, horrid stocks, 2 piece barrels, etc. I'll continue to buy/collect and shoot the older Smith revolvers.
     
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    What is this ‘selling’ thing of which you speak? You mean there are actually people who sell their guns. I only buy, I have a LaFury, a Hi-Point, a Phoenix, a commemorative Winchester, a Judge. More I can’t think of..

    Ooops, actually I don’t have any guns at all, lost them all in the flood.
     
  24. Shae1324

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    Hallelujah. My service weapon? On the nightstand. I am however, willing to try different models/brands out of sheer curiosity. You would have to break into my house to find out my preferences for when it counts the most, but that doesn't necessarily reflect whats in the gun case either. See, I have a bit of a problem...and that is purchasing firearms. If it doesn't make grade then it ends up on the TBS pile, which may or may not be a bad thing. But I'm not one to pass up a good buy when I see it, reputation accounting or not. You never know until you try and such. I certainly don't mind polishing a ramp because you never really know. I'm with you when it comes to a conflict between emotions and functionality however, and one does not necessarily meet with the other. I sure as hell didn't make it out of Fallujah alive with a polymer POS, and I certainly won't put my life or the lives of my family on the line with one. Doesn't mean I won't buy one if I get a smokin' deal and also doesn't mean I won't sell it just as fast if it doesn't pass muster.
     
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    Can’t ever see a Judge or Governor in my house. Or any variety of 25 auto.
     
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