Of course my wife is smarter than I as she set herself up with a Glock 26 with Nitesites for carry and a Glock 17 with a light attached for home defense (with her cell phone at the ready). Heck I am still in the stone age carrying a 442 and a surefire 6P, but I carry them everywhere I go.
The same type on gun for CCW and HD?
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Moondancer
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I Seem to Be Thinking Differently
Hmmmm. All the responses I've seen seem to be pointing toward the use of a handgun for HD. My thoughts strayed from this path.
My CCW is a Kimber Compact CDP. When I get home, it comes off the belt on gets put onto the dresser closest to my side of the bed with a Surefire E2e and a spare magazine right next to it. That would be my primary SD and immediate HD weapon.
HOWEVER, in the corner of the bedroom is a Mossberg 590 loaded with eight rounds of #4 buckshot in the tube. And right next to that is a Vector AKM with a 20-round mag of 7.62x39mm Wolf MC JHPs.
For the random bump in the night the first weapon at hand is the Kimber along with the Surefire. IF I think more firepower may be required, then the Mossberg is close at hand. If I know that more than that is required, the AK is ready and available.
Paranoid???? Maybe a little bit, but "better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it." I guess I'm just a firm believer in the Boy Scout motto: "Be Prepared".
And, yes, a charged cellphone sits right next to the Kimber, Surefire, and spare mag.
FWIW, the Kimber is loaded and "cocked and locked". The Mossy and the AKM have nothing in the chamber, but are in condition to rack the slide/bolt. I know it's not consistent, but that's just me I guess.
Hmmmm. All the responses I've seen seem to be pointing toward the use of a handgun for HD. My thoughts strayed from this path.
My CCW is a Kimber Compact CDP. When I get home, it comes off the belt on gets put onto the dresser closest to my side of the bed with a Surefire E2e and a spare magazine right next to it. That would be my primary SD and immediate HD weapon.
HOWEVER, in the corner of the bedroom is a Mossberg 590 loaded with eight rounds of #4 buckshot in the tube. And right next to that is a Vector AKM with a 20-round mag of 7.62x39mm Wolf MC JHPs.
For the random bump in the night the first weapon at hand is the Kimber along with the Surefire. IF I think more firepower may be required, then the Mossberg is close at hand. If I know that more than that is required, the AK is ready and available.
Paranoid???? Maybe a little bit, but "better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it." I guess I'm just a firm believer in the Boy Scout motto: "Be Prepared".
And, yes, a charged cellphone sits right next to the Kimber, Surefire, and spare mag.
FWIW, the Kimber is loaded and "cocked and locked". The Mossy and the AKM have nothing in the chamber, but are in condition to rack the slide/bolt. I know it's not consistent, but that's just me I guess.
sm
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My reasons for CCW while at home go w-a-y back as a kid, born in mid 50's, before CCW permits come to be.
Hi-Risk industry and I and mine were targets for being kidnapped.
Home guns, were similar to CCW guns.
Exceptions existed, like me CCW-ing a Beretta Minx at age 6 and Jetfire about age 8.
I CCW-ed a Model 36 or Model 10 starting around age 13, after I stopped an immediate threat against 3, armed, adults that busted down the front door.
Now in that incident, I had 3 younger kids under my charge. I had handy two .22 revolvers and one single shot shotgun.
Time did NOT allow me to gain access to a Model 10 or Repeating Shotgun.
Life happens fast, and I had to work fast in getting kids into safer areas of the house.
NO known gun schools, no training facilities back in them days.
What I did have was private lessons from Military , and Law Enforcement types.
I was raised with Gunny's and Rangers and Veterns of previous wars that had BTDT, and some in countries where getting across checkpoints meant...
Now competed with rifles, and handguns first, still in Elementary School, shotguns and competing next.
We shot "lessons" akin to what 3 Gunners before 3 Gun, IDPA, IPSC, do now, before they come to be.
Long guns are great...
My concern has always been entering, exiting a structure and answering the door.
This includes, getting to and from another structure, be it on foot or vehicle.
House I used for business; Pro Thugs bypassed alarm, locks, and I show up and turn off alarm, unlock door and I have a .357 Revolver in my face.
A lot of damn good the long guns inside are going to do me.
I am in a Parking Deck, I get in the vehicle an the door glass right behind where I am in the drivers seat explodes, from being shot out...
I am on the highway, doing 70 mph and being shot at, bumped, rammed and trying to be run off the road...I mean rap it up to over 100 mph, and doing all the defensive lessons and I have multiple cars that want me stopped.
My car gun was a .44 mag with full house loads. I "got them off my butt!"
In an Apt, Condo , even hotels I have had people walk in while I was taking a shower...
I am nobody, all I have are my experiences and observations, just sometimes a Duplicate or 4 of something is nice, and sometimes you cannot get to a long gun.
My lessons also were/are about those times where you cannot have a gun, or knife.
So for the $750 one might spend on a AR, or Nicer Shotgun, I fixed up a Lady Sales Rep, that lives alone, travels alone, and stays in hotels and motels, two Used 3" revolvers, and one used Shotgun, she carries into hotel , motel rooms, and can use at home.
This includes holsters, lockable Simplex box, ammo, speed loaders, speed strips and some other "tools of the road".
The Shotgun is a double barrel, for the same reason Awerbuck uses one, some areas in the US are less gun friendly than others.
She has two more revolvers coming, akin to what she has now.
She is "starting out" on this Sales Rep bit, and she may have as much as $1 million in mdse.
Bonded and Insured, they can have the mdse, still the concerns are she is a attractive lady, and using her to gain access to other valuables is real.
I have shared with Jeff White, and some others face to face on some of this.
Guns, knives are fine and dandy, still a LOT of the lessons I was brought up with, have to do with non-firearm matters.
Prevention, reading people, places and things and the like.
There are times, with metal detectors, wands, being patted down - one is NOT going to have anything but the brain, mindset, and senses to use as a weapon.
I'm probably wrong - again...
Hi-Risk industry and I and mine were targets for being kidnapped.
Home guns, were similar to CCW guns.
Exceptions existed, like me CCW-ing a Beretta Minx at age 6 and Jetfire about age 8.
I CCW-ed a Model 36 or Model 10 starting around age 13, after I stopped an immediate threat against 3, armed, adults that busted down the front door.
Now in that incident, I had 3 younger kids under my charge. I had handy two .22 revolvers and one single shot shotgun.
Time did NOT allow me to gain access to a Model 10 or Repeating Shotgun.
Life happens fast, and I had to work fast in getting kids into safer areas of the house.
NO known gun schools, no training facilities back in them days.
What I did have was private lessons from Military , and Law Enforcement types.
I was raised with Gunny's and Rangers and Veterns of previous wars that had BTDT, and some in countries where getting across checkpoints meant...
Now competed with rifles, and handguns first, still in Elementary School, shotguns and competing next.
We shot "lessons" akin to what 3 Gunners before 3 Gun, IDPA, IPSC, do now, before they come to be.
Long guns are great...
My concern has always been entering, exiting a structure and answering the door.
This includes, getting to and from another structure, be it on foot or vehicle.
House I used for business; Pro Thugs bypassed alarm, locks, and I show up and turn off alarm, unlock door and I have a .357 Revolver in my face.
A lot of damn good the long guns inside are going to do me.
I am in a Parking Deck, I get in the vehicle an the door glass right behind where I am in the drivers seat explodes, from being shot out...
I am on the highway, doing 70 mph and being shot at, bumped, rammed and trying to be run off the road...I mean rap it up to over 100 mph, and doing all the defensive lessons and I have multiple cars that want me stopped.
My car gun was a .44 mag with full house loads. I "got them off my butt!"
In an Apt, Condo , even hotels I have had people walk in while I was taking a shower...
I am nobody, all I have are my experiences and observations, just sometimes a Duplicate or 4 of something is nice, and sometimes you cannot get to a long gun.
My lessons also were/are about those times where you cannot have a gun, or knife.
So for the $750 one might spend on a AR, or Nicer Shotgun, I fixed up a Lady Sales Rep, that lives alone, travels alone, and stays in hotels and motels, two Used 3" revolvers, and one used Shotgun, she carries into hotel , motel rooms, and can use at home.
This includes holsters, lockable Simplex box, ammo, speed loaders, speed strips and some other "tools of the road".
The Shotgun is a double barrel, for the same reason Awerbuck uses one, some areas in the US are less gun friendly than others.
She has two more revolvers coming, akin to what she has now.
She is "starting out" on this Sales Rep bit, and she may have as much as $1 million in mdse.
Bonded and Insured, they can have the mdse, still the concerns are she is a attractive lady, and using her to gain access to other valuables is real.
I have shared with Jeff White, and some others face to face on some of this.
Guns, knives are fine and dandy, still a LOT of the lessons I was brought up with, have to do with non-firearm matters.
Prevention, reading people, places and things and the like.
There are times, with metal detectors, wands, being patted down - one is NOT going to have anything but the brain, mindset, and senses to use as a weapon.
I'm probably wrong - again...
DMK
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A CCW is a compromise. You want a smaller, lighter gun for CCW so it's comfortable and easy to conceal. An HD weapon require no such compromise. You want something powerful, but easy to control. A longer sight radius, heavier frame and more capacity are beneficial.
My 4" barreled, alloy framed CCW and my 5" barreled, steel framed HD nightstand gun:
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michiganfan
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Daily G23. Next to the bed XD 45 with a weapons light
DC3-CVN-72
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COLT 1911-A1 loaded with 230gr. Remington Golden Saber for carry, but at home in the nightstand it's a S&W 629-4 with a 3 in. bbl. loaded with CCI. Blazer .44 S&W SPL. 200gr. GDHP. I see no problem with this. I just don't feel confident with a S/A auto after just wakeing up. Besides if I'm able to get my feet on the ground, the S&W 629-4 gets handed to my wife as she is calling 911 and I grab the MOSSBERG M-590 loaded with #4 Buck shot out of the closet 2ft. away. 
Roadwild17
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DMK got it right
Besides that I also feel it would be better to have a 5" for other uses.
1: My town has no law against discharge within city limits (I foresee a suppressor in the future hopefully)
2: Possibility for some competition with friends who have 3" guns
3: Higher cap. = bigger after a little rapid fire.
Besides that I also feel it would be better to have a 5" for other uses.
1: My town has no law against discharge within city limits (I foresee a suppressor in the future hopefully)
2: Possibility for some competition with friends who have 3" guns
3: Higher cap. = bigger
after a little rapid fire.I've never had problems transitioning from stick shift to automatic in cars, when I get on a bike I remember how to work the gears and pedals, I can also distinguish riding a snowboard from using skis without confusion. Years of use has made everything familiar to the point where the body naturally knows how to react without needing the brain to send a conscious command.
Folks, you do something enough times, muscle memory takes over. It doesn't matter if you regularly switch between a Glock, 1911, revolver, shotgun, bowie knife, etc. -You train enough on each of them, your body will naturally know what to do if ever the need comes up. If you need the brain to interfere, then you haven't done enough training.
Folks, you do something enough times, muscle memory takes over. It doesn't matter if you regularly switch between a Glock, 1911, revolver, shotgun, bowie knife, etc. -You train enough on each of them, your body will naturally know what to do if ever the need comes up. If you need the brain to interfere, then you haven't done enough training.
DMK
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Gas prices being what they are, I drive a stick shift car most of the time. On weekends, I drive an SUV with an automatic, mostly just around town. I have caught myself quite a few times reaching for the non-existent stick shift in the SUV.
Jayb
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No offense, but aren't you glad you weren't reaching for the handgun you thought you had on your hip ?
That's exactly why I carry only one style of handgun. I have several different ones, but the controls are all identical.
rantingredneck
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Daily Carry: Ruger P345 or P97 .45ACP
HD: Ruger P90/345/97 .45ACP.
Only one type of mag. Controls all the same
Of course the 3 870's laying around would get first dibs...............
HD: Ruger P90/345/97 .45ACP.
Only one type of mag. Controls all the same
Of course the 3 870's laying around would get first dibs...............
GeezerwithGuns
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Nope: A little hard to get my HD gun (12ga 870) into my CCW holster.
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