"The Speech" for a 5-year-old grandaughter

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I'll bet a number of you have also had to give "The Speech."

My wife and I were babysitting a granddaughter at her house over the weekend, and as usual, when I entered her mother's house, I unloaded my carry gun, put the gun up where the granddaughter can't reach it, and put the ammo in my pocket.

We were getting ready to take the sweet little girl to the movies (Toy Story 3: Just go!), and I stepped into a room to discretely load and pocket my gun.

The 5-year-old granddaughter tiptoed up behind me and looked around. I didn't hear her or see her until I noticed her out of the corner of my eyes, and there she was, staring at my gun. (Good thing it was pointed away from her!)

She kept staring at the gun, but she didn't seem afraid. She looked like she didn't know how to act.

My wonderful wife and I took the granddaughter into kitchen, without any panic or fanfare, and I gave her "The Speech:"

"Yes, Grandpa does carry a gun sometimes, but he is not doing anything wrong. He carries it to protect you from bad people. He carries it because he loves you more than you can ever understand. You must not tell anyone that Grandpa has a gun. If someone tries to do something bad, you must not turn to Grandpa and say anything like "Grandpa, get your gun." If someone is doing something bad, Grandpa will decide whether it is safer for you to let the person go or whether he needs to surprise the bad guy, so you have to help Grandpa by keeping the secret. The only people you can tell about the gun are your mommy and your daddy (they don't live together). When the time is right, Grandpa will teach you everything you need to know about guns, and I will even give you one when you're old enough, but until then, if you see a gun, you must leave it alone and go tell your mother."

After the movie, we repeated and reinforced "The Speech" and complimented her for keeping "The Secret."

It now occurs to me that a second speech should include a warning that if someone wants her to keep a secret but they are doing something that hurts her, or makes her feel bad, she doesn't need to keep that secret.

Last time I had to give "The Speech," it was with a 7-year-old grandson, who saw my gun printing while we were sitting in an outdoor cafe, and he yelled, "Hey, everybody, look! Grandpa's got a gun." Everyone else in the cafe made a big point of minding their business while I gave a quiet and condensed version of "The Speech."

In another case, with another grandson, I had to do something more drastic. For some reason, this 6-year-old grandson thought it would be cute to put his hand in my pockets. I told him to stop, and then I felt him trying to sneak his hand into my pocket without me noticing it. It was the same pocket that I had a J-frame in. Without looking down, I gave him a slap that carried him across the hall, and then he got to see me act angry (it was an act) for the first time ever. His mother understood, and she fully backed me up. He's never tried that again.

- - - Yoda
 
My wife and I were babysitting a granddaughter at her house over the weekend, and as usual, when I entered her mother's house, I unloaded my carry gun, put the gun up where the granddaughter can't reach it, and put the ammo in my pocket.

Just out of curiosity, why did you disarm while in the house?
 
The Speech

I had to give "The Speech" to my 6 yr old boys about a month ago. We were getting ready to go to town and one son saw my put my gun in my pocket while I was in my bedroom(Didn't realize he saw me.) As my wife and I were buckling our kids into their seats the one son looks over and says to the other son "Dad's got a gun in his pocket." I explained to them why and such and that just like I have a DL to drive I have a Handgun Carry Permit to carry a gun in my pocket. Now the boys and one of my daughters(the other daughter is still to young) love to shoot .22lr rifles and .410 shotguns with me and respect guns and don't mind guns but it seemed to bother the one son that I put a gun in my pocket.
 
Why disarm?

I disarm because I do a lot of horseplay with the grandkids.

I'm just not comfortable playing "Chutes and Ladders" and "Candyland" with a granddaughter sitting in my lap, essentially planted on top of the loaded J-frame in my right front pocket. I'm also not comfortable sitting on the floor and playing with dolls while my gun is pointed horizontally across the floor towards the granddaughter or her mother. Same with playing "horsey" when it might fall out, or a child's foot or hand might end up in mypocket.

If I'm just walking around or sitting at a dinner table or something else that doesn't constitute unsafe behavior, I keep the gun on me.

You may have your own safety rules. These are mine. Ultimately, we're all responsible for our actions, so we all adopt whatever rules make the most sense to us.

- - - Yoda
 
I hope you have better luck with grandchildren keeping secrets than I do. I've been ratted out many times by my grandkids. All eight of them!:uhoh:
 
One way to avoid the whole keeping secrets issue is to open carry (assuming that's legal). And as for your 2 year old issue CoRoMo I'll ask my mom if you'd like. She worked with children for the past 21 years.
 
you bring up a good point my older child is easy. my younger is like me and gonna bear much closer watching
 
This is a good thread. I like the way you did it. I learned something, thanks!
 
I don't have a carry license yet, but I have also given 'The Speech.' When my son was 2 1/2, I took one of my long guns out and told him the rules regarding it (never touch, tell an adult if you see one, etc. etc). I was field stripping a Garand and using the case lid to hold the parts. My hands were greasy and my son was in the Garage (he is pushing 5 now). I asked him to lift the lid on the gun case and he refused saying that he never touches guns. Just to let you know, I used the same tactic my dad used with me. If I had ever been caught handling my fathers firearms without permission, he wouldn't EVER allow me to handle them. I told my son the same thing. He understands when I say he is old enough, I will take him shooting. I am always willing to get them out to show him when he asks, but he knows 'the rules.'

The only time I can ever remember living under a roof without firearms was my first year of college living on campus. The next year, I moved off campus and had a firearm. I was trained very early not to handle my fathers firearms, or anything that didn't belong to me at other peoples homes (firearms, etc). Dad's shotguns were always in plain site, grand dad kept loaded firearms out of sight and I didn't go looking for them because I was a visitor and those things didn't belong to me.

I think many times people make the mistake of not teaching their children anything. My uncle had a situation with a couple of young men who went into HIS room and grabbed HIS bb gun. It was in the back of his closet and out of site. No one was hurt, the parents of the boys just blamed my uncle for having a BB gun in HIS home which they were coming to visit. Who was at fault there? The parents because they didn't teach their little darlings how to conduct themselves in someone else's home.

The lesson I learned from my dad is if it doesn't belong to you, don't touch it. This applied to may aspects of my life. It has probably saved my life or at least a few of my fingers because I not only didn't touch firearms, I didn't touch farm equipment, heavy equipment, possibly dangerous tools and substances until I was given permission. You can't secure everything, and it is really difficult when you live on a farm in particular.

I'll get off my horse now. :D
 
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My "speech" started at 2 years old with my oldest (Now 5, and has her own .22 rifle), and I've never made it a point to hide the fact that I carry from my children.

Children are naturally curious, and want to see and touch things that they aren't supposed to.

So, take the mystique away. Any time my children want to see or touch one of my guns, all they have to do is ask. I always oblige. I do this so that it's another part of their life, and not something that daddy keeps in a closet that we're not supposed to see or touch.

I see gun safety like I see any other thing that children must be taught to respect. You teach your children that if they go sticking keys in outlets, they'll get electrocuted. You teach your children that if they approach a strange dog, they may get bitten. You can see where I'm going with this, guns aren't any more or less dangerous than 20 other things in the normal household. It is our job as parents to teach our kids gun safety as soon as they can understand "no".

My daughter has been taught that if she sees a gun "laying around" that she is to leave it alone, and go get an adult. I have tested her on this a few times with a few of my Airsoft pistols (You can't tell them apart from the real thing with the naked eye), and she has always come to me or her mother and told us of it's whereabouts. She has been shooting, and has seen what a gun can do, and holds them with the utmost respect.

This is just my way of doing things, your mileage may vary.
 
I'm with you Zombienerd.

Teach them the same way we teach them about anything that could be dangerous if misused.

My son has been exposed to firearms since he was born, and taught about them since the time he could understand language. He has a healthy respect for them and his curiosities are answered, instead of him having to experiment on his own.

As to carry issues, I just told my son, "this isn't something we tell anyone, ever, for any reason... If I want someone to know, I will tell them".

Being a relatively smart kid, he gets it... and the lack of curiosity about it just makes it routine and nothing he even thinks abnormal, so no reason to talk about it.
 
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Without looking down, I gave him a slap that carried him across the hall, and then he got to see me act angry (it was an act) for the first time ever. His mother understood, and she fully backed me up. He's never tried that again.

LOL, I HAVE HAD THAT SLAP!!!! I once tried to pick up my dad's ruger mark I when I was real young and got a whoopin I will NEVER forget. We were out shooting and he had just loaded the gun.

I had to give the "speech" to my 3 year old nephew who is over all the time. He fully understands "THATS A GUN!!! I can't touch it"
 
Very good topic for anyone who has children or grandchildren.

My dad did a sort of version of 'The Speech' when I was six.

He showed my his Revolver, unloaded it, explained it's function, how to check it for loaded-unloaded, and advised me that if I am ever at other kid's houses playing, and one of the kids happens to somehow end up 'playing' with a 'real' Gun, that I could either intervene constructively and safely to have them put it back where they found it, or, do that and find their parent or other adult to tell for them to make sure it is secure.

I seemed to have no trouble telling a 'real' gun from a 'toy' gun, and I was pretty mechanically inclined, so it all was comfortable for me.

Never did have any instance of playing where any one produced a 'real 'gun'...though I know all our nighbors dads had Hand Guns in dresser drawers or whatever.

Year or so later, he took me shooting, running through more things about safety and earnest of it, and, of course, I loved it and began from the get go with good habits for safety and awareness of others.

I knew where my dad kept his Revolver ( an S&W Model 1917, and always loaded with WWII surplus Cartridges using those two round 'Clips', ) and I never touched it. But, once 7 or 8 yeard old, and having shot it a few times under supervision, and knowing where he kept it, had some Burglars broke in where only I was at home, I would have felt alright to have got it out and used it.

I am amazed in looking back, that I was able to manage the recoil at that age...I was not a big kid either...somehow, it never bothered me a bit. Ears used to 'ring' though...Lol...
 
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I have 4 kids, ages 7,5,4,and 2. It's probably different with grandkids, but my kids have always been aware of my guns, and it is such a non-event for them. My "speech" is nothing more than a short answer when each kids asks why I carry a gun. Outside of that, the kids have strict rules about what to never talk about outside the house: bodily functions, things mommy and daddy talk about, and daddy's guns. I think my kids will be surprised that their friends' dads don't have big gun safes and carry a gun all the time.
 
I dont have time to write in detail as I'm leaving out of town for a few days soon.

As someone said... take the mystery out NOW.

You also need to show her some real life examples of how to treat a situation. EX, Gun laying on dresser.... dont touch leave it alone and tell family member. Gun in Grampas hand is OK and NO horse play. Gun in strangers hand.... hide... for example.

At that age they need more than a speech. They need physical examples/role play.

You need to do this NOW... not when shes 6 or 7 or "later".... NOW.

These are not detailed answers... just trying to to get the point accross.
 
...I've never made it a point to hide the fact that I carry from my children.
+1
I think this is an issue for some parents, but it is important have no secrets, no taboo issues, and no uncovered ground within the family relationship. And your post is excellent!!
 
Good thread.
Applies to aspects of life in a way.

Speak straight, share responsibility
tell them where the line is, that they
will not cross under any circumstances.

An even though me and many others are
agains any from of physical "education" of kids,
a slap will leave an impression that is less harmful
than a kid grabbing for a gun.

Well done, well written, all.
 
I have actually been thinking about how (when the time comes) for my son to have "the speech". He's only 18mo but he is already WAY too curious. The other day my husband and I were checking my Sig (we are having troubles with the "grabbers" (not sure what they are actually called) that grab the bullet and push it into the chamber and my son was with us. He was watching us and kept coming closer and closer. I can't have the speech with him since he is so little but we are giving him an age appropriate one. Basically, do not touch this it will hurt you. and it's working pretty well.

Thank you guys for your "speeches". My family thinks that a child shouldn't be around guns period so getting help from them is not going to happen
 
Guys, we don't need to reinvent the wheel. Look at Eddie Eagle for what to tell your kids. Start with that. Then move on to the why, when, etc...
 
Guys, we don't need to reinvent the wheel. Look at Eddie Eagle for what to tell your kids. Start with that. Then move on to the why, when, etc...

STOP, DON'T TOUCH, LEAVE THE AREA, TELL AN ADULT.... I grew up on Eddie Eagle. I still have that VHS. It was my "Project" in the 3rd grade and I brought that a red ryder bb gun (with the teachers and principles approval) and did a gun safety course for my class.
 
Thank you guys for your "speeches". My family thinks that a child shouldn't be around guns period so getting help from them is not going to happen

My nephew is 3 but all of his life he has been getting taught not to touch the guns. When you kid gets old enough to understand "NO" then you should immediately start pointing at the guns and saying "NO". It has worked with my nephew.
 
I've had to give "the speach" a couple times... I agree wholeheartedly with the tone of your example. Calm, straight forward with the focus on "Daddy loves you and wants to always protect you from the bad guys"

I think my kids are pretty used to the fact that daddy carries a gun sometimes and don't think much of it. They understand why and I rely on their understanding and reserved nature and don't give much thought to them ratting me out.

The only "issue" I've had is after safety week when the police and fire dept. visit the kids in Kindergarten. Well apparently they've expanded on "Stop, Drop and Roll" and now tell the kids "guns are bad, never touch a gun" :^(

This required a different kind of speach to my youngest.

Thanks for posting the thread. It's always good to be reminded of the possibilities and re-visit yesterdays decisions to see if they are appropriate for today.
 
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