A bill of sale, signed by both parties, along with some identification, address, etc. is fine for that. Now, if the cops are visiting you several times per year for this, it might get a little suspicious. If someone looks unsavory, don't sell to them.
The story that will prompt the next call to close the so called Gun Show Loophole
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A bill of sale, signed by both parties, along with some identification, address, etc. is fine for that. Now, if the cops are visiting you several times per year for this, it might get a little suspicious. If someone looks unsavory, don't sell to them.
At the federal level, Congress only has the power to regulate interstate commerce. Although that term has become twisted and warped beyond recognition after 70 years of Supreme Court decisions, in-state private sales are neither interstate nor commercial. States can still regulate them, for example, all private sales are illegal in California.
I've got some bad news for you: in that scenario, even if you sold that gun through an FFL, the police are still going to trace it back to you. Why? Because the ATF's forward trace system only leads as far as the first sale. Under federal law, you're only in trouble if you knowingly sold a gun to someone who is legally disallowed from owning one.
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If you have doubts about the buyer of your firearm, then require the buyer to have a current CCW permit (or whatever it's called in your neck o' the woods) before you make the sale. If your state dosen't require a CCW, then just keep your gun.
As corrupt as the Mexican officials usually are, I would suspect a profit motive in their gun purchases. I understand the drug dealers and gang members south of the border pay premium prices for guns, and who better to smuggle them across the border than the police? After all, the baby needs shoes!
If you have doubts about the buyer of your firearm, then require the buyer to have a current CCW permit (or whatever it's called in your neck o' the woods) before you make the sale. If your state dosen't require a CCW, then just keep your gun.
As corrupt as the Mexican officials usually are, I would suspect a profit motive in their gun purchases. I understand the drug dealers and gang members south of the border pay premium prices for guns, and who better to smuggle them across the border than the police? After all, the baby needs shoes!
Right, understood. But at that point, isn't my FFL going to whip out his book and show the reciept of the transaction? I know I'm going to have my receipt and copy of the paperwork. At that point, aren't I pretty much off the hook?
I think of it this way: If I sell a gun to someone privately, and they then kill someone with it, I'm a ripe target of a civil suit. Especially if the buyer was a felon.
By selling through my FFL, I provide a layer of legal protection for a mere $20.
My state issues CCW permits, but they aren't required to own a handgun. I suppose if I were in a bind, I'd accept a CCW instead of using an FFL.
I see your point. But I also feel spending $20 to put the transfer through my FFL is worth the money. Maybe I'm wrong. That's just the reasoning I've always used.
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Though I don't like the idea of regulating everything to death, I do like the idea of having a "gun ownership license", showing legally you are able to puchase and competant to handle firearms....
I buy, sell and trade regularly at the shows, and it pains me to think I may loose this right because of jokers like this, when the right piece of legislation is all that is needed to end the "loophole dilema."
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If you lose the right to sell at gun shows, it won't be because of criminals, crazy people, or illegals. It will be because of anti-gun politicians.
Please don't make the mistake of thinking they will just be happy and leave us alone if they get licensing imposed on us. They will not rest at that, or anywhere else, until they have totally outlawed citizen posession of firearms.
I used to live in Illinois and initially thought the FOID (essentially a firearms owner license) was a "reasonable restriction." Then along came Blagoevich (now the governor). He thought it would be a cute idea to raise the FOID fee to $500 per year. That didn't go through, but you see where this is headed. Once he gets the bureaucratic apparatus up and running, he can start tweaking it and abusing it to attack gun owners.
They will chip away, one law at a time, making it increasingly impossible for anyone to own a gun.
Every time they pass one of these things, it makes it easier to pass the next one. Due to the FOID law, Illinois currently has a list of all law-abiding gun owners in that state. Say they decide to ban handguns, or semiauto rifles next week. That FOID list sure will come in handy tostart rounding up all the handguns and AR's, won't it?
That's what will lose you your gunshow firearams dealer business. Please don't think you can save yourself by supporting gun control laws. The gun control crowd wants you out of business just as much as they want to take away my guns.
Though I don't like the idea of regulating everything to death, I do like the idea of having a "gun ownership license", showing legally you are able to puchase and competant to handle firearms....
I buy, sell and trade regularly at the shows, and it pains me to think I may loose this right because of jokers like this, when the right piece of legislation is all that is needed to end the "loophole dilema."
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If you lose the right to sell at gun shows, it won't be because of criminals, crazy people, or illegals. It will be because of anti-gun politicians.
Please don't make the mistake of thinking they will just be happy and leave us alone if they get licensing imposed on us. They will not rest at that, or anywhere else, until they have totally outlawed citizen posession of firearms.
I used to live in Illinois and initially thought the FOID (essentially a firearms owner license) was a "reasonable restriction." Then along came Blagoevich (now the governor). He thought it would be a cute idea to raise the FOID fee to $500 per year. That didn't go through, but you see where this is headed. Once he gets the bureaucratic apparatus up and running, he can start tweaking it and abusing it to attack gun owners.
They will chip away, one law at a time, making it increasingly impossible for anyone to own a gun.
Every time they pass one of these things, it makes it easier to pass the next one. Due to the FOID law, Illinois currently has a list of all law-abiding gun owners in that state. Say they decide to ban handguns, or semiauto rifles next week. That FOID list sure will come in handy tostart rounding up all the handguns and AR's, won't it?
That's what will lose you your gunshow firearams dealer business. Please don't think you can save yourself by supporting gun control laws. The gun control crowd wants you out of business just as much as they want to take away my guns.
Jeff, this is what I find acceptable: (430 ILCS 65/1) (from Ch. 38, par. 83‑1)
Sec. 1. It is hereby declared as a matter of legislative determination that in order to promote and protect the health, safety and welfare of the public, it is necessary and in the public interest to provide a system of identifying persons who are not qualified to acquire or possess firearms, firearm ammunition, stun guns, and tasers within the State of Illinois by the establishment of a system of Firearm Owner's Identification Cards, thereby establishing a practical and workable system by which law enforcement authorities will be afforded an opportunity to identify those persons who are prohibited by Section 24‑3.1 of the "Criminal Code of 1961", as amended, from acquiring or possessing firearms and firearm ammunition and who are prohibited by this Act from acquiring stun guns and tasers.
(Source: P.A. 94‑6, eff. 1‑1‑06.)
However, the addition of unnecessary pork-barreling includes:
(b) Any person within this State who transfers or causes to be transferred any firearm, stun gun, or taser shall keep a record of such transfer for a period of 10 years from the date of transfer. Such record shall contain the date of the transfer; the description, serial number or other information identifying the firearm, stun gun, or taser if no serial number is available; and, if the transfer was completed within this State, the transferee's Firearm Owner's Identification Card number. On demand of a peace officer such transferor shall produce for inspection such record of transfer.
Unfortunately, they compromised and made a private sale between law-abiding citizens a public record. You may find solace in knowing of your $5, $3 goes to fish and wildlife, $1 to police services, and the last $1 to operating costs.
Sec. 1. It is hereby declared as a matter of legislative determination that in order to promote and protect the health, safety and welfare of the public, it is necessary and in the public interest to provide a system of identifying persons who are not qualified to acquire or possess firearms, firearm ammunition, stun guns, and tasers within the State of Illinois by the establishment of a system of Firearm Owner's Identification Cards, thereby establishing a practical and workable system by which law enforcement authorities will be afforded an opportunity to identify those persons who are prohibited by Section 24‑3.1 of the "Criminal Code of 1961", as amended, from acquiring or possessing firearms and firearm ammunition and who are prohibited by this Act from acquiring stun guns and tasers.
(Source: P.A. 94‑6, eff. 1‑1‑06.)
However, the addition of unnecessary pork-barreling includes:
(b) Any person within this State who transfers or causes to be transferred any firearm, stun gun, or taser shall keep a record of such transfer for a period of 10 years from the date of transfer. Such record shall contain the date of the transfer; the description, serial number or other information identifying the firearm, stun gun, or taser if no serial number is available; and, if the transfer was completed within this State, the transferee's Firearm Owner's Identification Card number. On demand of a peace officer such transferor shall produce for inspection such record of transfer.
Unfortunately, they compromised and made a private sale between law-abiding citizens a public record. You may find solace in knowing of your $5, $3 goes to fish and wildlife, $1 to police services, and the last $1 to operating costs.
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Or, if you prefer English to Perl, rights don't require permits.
s/Firearm/Printing Press/g
Or, if you prefer English to Perl, rights don't require permits.
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