The Tokarev Hand Gun for a Carry Gun.

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I have done alot of shooting with a 9mm para. & 7.62×25mm tokarev handguns. They are very reliable &accurate. Since they are military pistols, Do any of the members carry this as a carry gun or for S.D. Pistol? Please let me hear form you.
 
Yup I do. It's a Yugo Zastava 9mm, with a slide mounted hammer block safety. Don't know that I'd carry one with the frame safety. 9+1 is enough rounds for me the sights needed a little work, as did the trigger pull but I like it now.
 
Most Tokarevs either have absolutely terrible safeties added by the importer (and they aren't all the same), or no safety at all.

How do you feel about condition 3 carry?
 
Tokarevs don't need a safety to be carried (and you shouldn't use the aftermarket ones for it) - they are designed to be carried at half-cock. On half-cock the Tokarev's slide locks, the hammer is secure, and the trigger is inoperable.

As such you typically carry on in condition 2, not 3. Just cock the hammer the rest of the way on the draw.

Now, as to the actual usefulness of it - I'd carry it if I had to. "Beats a sharp stick" as they say. My M57 is 7.62x25 though and it has a bit heavy penetration for street use. In 9mm it'd be better. Either way though its a bit of a clunky gun for carry use.
 
it has a bit heavy penetration for street use.

I would have to agree on that one as well I have seen that 7.62 bullet penetrate pretty deep in some misc. items in my day. I would be afraid of hitting an innocent person knowing full well the penetration capabilities of the 7.62X25mm round. I typically stick to HP .9X19mm or .38 Spl.'s.
 
The Norinco 213 is their version of the Tok in 9MM. Mine's done bedroom duty and I've carried it on occasion using the half cock.

When the Russians designed the pistol, the tested the half cock by dropping the gun on it's hammer onto concrete from the roof of a 3 story building. Considering that and that the Norincos are also made of harder steel than the Soviet Bloc Toks, I'm comfortable with my 213 and half cock carry.

I like the Tok format as it's dead nuts reliable; I prefer the Norincos in particular. My 213, in addition, is one really, really accurate pistol, almost spooky accurate.
 
The Norinco 213 is their version of the Tok in 9MM. Mine's done bedroom duty and I've carried it on occasion using the half cock.

When the Russians designed the pistol, the tested the half cock by dropping the gun on it's hammer onto concrete from the roof of a 3 story building. Considering that and that the Norincos are also made of harder steel than the Soviet Bloc Toks, I'm comfortable with my 213 and half cock carry.

I like the Tok format as it's dead nuts reliable; I prefer the Norincos in particular. My 213, in addition, is one really, really accurate pistol, almost spooky accurate.
Mine had safety with 'F' in rear position in same location as 1911 slide lock lever. It was very accurate and reliable with quality FMJ;) but with almost any JHP I would get 1 to 2 FTF per magazine!:(
 
I see the overpenatration argument made many times and have asked before. can you point to or post a link to where somebody has been held accountable for a bullet that passed through a BG and hit an innocent. Better yet one that just shows it happened?
I'm more worried about a miss hitting an innocent where theyry gonna take the full hit which is why rule 4 stays in affect even durring a gunfight.
As to a tok as a carry gun it's relativly compact and powerful why not. I realize it ahas a different MOA in that it's designed to be carried in condition 2 but that's easy enuogh to learn. Heck I just gotta think SAA.
 
These days I was considering the 7.62×25mm because of penatration! We have had alot of B.G.s wearing body armor. A friend started carrying a new FN pistol with the new 5.7×28mm round because of this reason. I have a model 213 in 9mm & a 7.62×25mm that has no safty .I carry it with empty chamber unless reason says other wise. Then I use the the reg.safety! Both are great shooters.Walking in the woods around here can be hazardous because of growers that belong to gangs!
 
I carry a Yugo M57 once in awhile. It has less recoil and muzzle flip compared to other tokarev pistols. I hot load a hornady XTP 32 acp 100gr bullet and it expands to the same diameter as a 147gr 9mm in my CM9 with 70% less recoil. With the m57 and the tokarev, waterjugs explode like dynamite and can put more rounds on target faster than my small 9mm kahr. I am a firm believer on this round no matter what people say.
 
I've owned a few and always had a fettish for handguns in 7.62x25

However when it came to selecting a ccw piece and caliber a bowed to common sense and went with the modern version of the round from a glock.

Its called 357sig and it penatrates just as well as the tok round.

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Now the .357 Sig, that's a caliber I would (and do) carry! But it might blow a Tokarev to pieces. Anyone up for a conversion?

I don't know about blows to pieces but with similar bullets at similar sectional densities it does appear to replicate the old tok rounds performance AND has a great selection of the most modern projectiles.

Take it from me. If you like 7.62x25 you'll love the sig round

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I carry my M57 on half cock,chamber loaded.I removed.that.ATFingE mandated,useless safety.Works for.me in a Comfort-Tuk IWB.
 
I do have a Sig Pro in .40 S&W. As I have already got a different 40 I was going to sell it. I think I will look at converting it to. 357 Sig. I didn't know it had the penatration I was looking for! Thanks I will look into it. Marry X-MAS &Happy New year! P.S.If I have it right I just need new barrel in. 357 Sig.
 
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I don't EDC my Tok, but I have a Norinco 54 in 9mm that I use as my truck gun. Great all steel pistol, cheap if it gets stolen, accurate, feeds JHP unlike my old 213.

I really need to get another mag for it, but it IS just a truck gun. I don't store it chambered. It's got a full mag and an empty pipe. Really, it's just a back up for if I'm out and about without my gun and might need one.

Very happy with the old beaut:)
 
As a primary CCW. No. Too many other good options. Too much overpenetration in the zippy round.

For a very very poor person, it's better than a Lorcen Jennings... But anyone with a good job can scrape together enough for a 'better' handgun.

As a bang-around car carry or woods, hiking backback gun. Sure. Just not with one in the chamber.

Good gun, great penetrating caliber, just quite rough. Seriously more of a range gun than a reliable CCW piece. A great piece of history, and a cheap gun.
 
A 357 sig has less velocity than a 357 magnum
if i remember correctly on the box of truth test, the 357 magnum did not penetrate the helmet as opposed to the 7.62x25.
The reason why i think there is no modern 7.62x25 pistol is because of politics and legal influence. Who wants to have an armor piercing pistol in the hands of a bad guy?
 
Show written proof the Russian tested Tokarev pistols by throwing them off three story buildings chamber loaded and set at half cock or I call B.S.

The Russian designers weren't as concerned about safties as they were with reliable and combat accurate standards.

Nobody with any common sense would advocate carrying any semi auto pistol chamber loaded and set at half cock, it is a recipe for disaster.
If a Russian soldier chose to do so and accidently shot himself or a comrade the punishment was quite simple and usually fatal.
They were shot for gross misconduct in the performance of their duties or sent to Siberia for "reeducation".

Because the Tokarev uses an inertia firing pin, the gun is actually safer when carried hammer down on a loaded chamber as it will not fire if dropped on the hammer.
It will fire if dropped muzzle down on a hard surface but who cares, the bullet will exit into that surface and unless it riccochets and hits someone, the A.D. will be safer than a bullet flying outward from a hammer discharged round.

Russian soldiers would commonly carry the gun chamber loaded, hammer all the way down and stored in a fully flapped holster and they would draw and thumb cock for the first shot.

Get rid of the goofy import safety, test for proper function with a good hollowpoint load if you are worried about overpenetration and it is best to carry the gun chamber empty.

If you are planning on CCW shootouts involving Tom Cruise double tap, double target shoot downs, don't carry a Tokarev.

If it is all you have, no worries, it will get the job done.
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A 357 sig has less velocity than a 357 magnum
if i remember correctly on the box of truth test, the 357 magnum did not penetrate the helmet as opposed to the 7.62x25.
The reason why i think there is no modern 7.62x25 pistol is because of politics and legal influence. Who wants to have an armor piercing pistol in the hands of a bad guy?

The sig round matched the tok in this test

http://intrencik.com/357sig.htm

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As I have other guns for E.D.C. I was looking for something I can use in the woods. It has gotten dangerous to scout out deer runs & the areas for hunting. We have alot of WEED growing around. With the gang problem on top of that &the fact that some of them wear flak vest or body armor, I was wanting to carry in the woods in case we run across a grow site. These guys are gang members &are usely armed! You must be careful with these people. If I lose the Tok. it is not that much money to replace. With Military holster &3mags
It would be enough ammo to get me out of their A.O.!
 
carry it with Wolf Gold HP ammo if you're worried about over penetration

Not a bad thing to sail through car doors and glass
 
I suppose you could load the chamber with a primed but otherwise empty case, put it on half cock (actually 1.4 cock IIRC) and throw the thing around your garage for an hour or two to see if you can get it to pop. :) Then try with the hammer down to test that combination.

WRT the penetration issue one could carry HPs for normal around town carry and ball ammo in the woods where the pot farmers are expected.

mike
 
I have a Yugo 7.62x25. Has a 1911 style safety they say the engineers from the plant that made the gun designed it and installed it for overseas sales.

I also have some of that 'Gold' Wolf ammo. JHP it is. I don't know how reliable it is in expansion but if CCI made their Gold Dot ammo for it I'd say the Yugo would make a decent CCW gun.

Won't get me to put up my Glocks but I'd say it was a decent reliable gun with ok power.

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