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TheOtherOne
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Great. It sounds like they are going to be slapping on an anti-gun amendment after all. A whole lot of good all those postcards we sent out that said "without any anti-gun amendments" did.
This is just a step closer to prosecuting and making felons out of lawful gun owner after they become victims of a theft because they may not have been using government mandated gun locks. We aren't quite there yet, but it won't be too many years now thanks to great incremental legislation like the 2005 Gun Liability Lock-up Your Safety Act.
True, it's not as poisonous as the 1986 Firearm Owners Protection Machine Gun ban, but it's still not something I want to take.
Lets hope they strip this lock up your safety anti-gun amendment out in committee... but I'm not holding my breath.
This is just a step closer to prosecuting and making felons out of lawful gun owner after they become victims of a theft because they may not have been using government mandated gun locks. We aren't quite there yet, but it won't be too many years now thanks to great incremental legislation like the 2005 Gun Liability Lock-up Your Safety Act.
True, it's not as poisonous as the 1986 Firearm Owners Protection Machine Gun ban, but it's still not something I want to take.
Lets hope they strip this lock up your safety anti-gun amendment out in committee... but I'm not holding my breath.
MasterPiece Arms.com
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That is the most gut wrenching thing I have read in a long time. Are you kidding me LAR-15? Please tell me you're kidding. No poison pills? What? Now I know the NRA pretends nothing happened in 1986 and doesn't list the 1986 ban anywhere on their websites (they only mention the 1934 NFA when they're talking about machine guns), but this is just sad. If the Hughes amendment was part of another bill and not FOPA (which I pronounce Faux pas) someone PLEASE set me straight. It doesn't GET any more poisonous of a pill than that!
RealGun
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What's germane for S. 397?
In my opinion, the bill is legal reform. If an amendment is gun control, pro or con, it's not germane. Best not to open Pandora's box. Many would like to, but don't go there. We're just as bad as the other side in reacting to "did somebody say "gun"?!!
Gun control should never coexist with something good so that it can be singled out as the unconstitutional abomination that it is.
Congress demonstrates why it is dysfunctional when it can't ever pass a "clean" bill. Voting for passage should mean endorsement and accountability for any and all provisions...no excuses, no cop outs, no compromises. Without the BS they have plenty of time to process narrowly defined bills. There must be some method of doing this while complying with the rules. The whining is when chicanery is not allowed. I guess it would be really boring without all the gaming.
In my opinion, the bill is legal reform. If an amendment is gun control, pro or con, it's not germane. Best not to open Pandora's box. Many would like to, but don't go there. We're just as bad as the other side in reacting to "did somebody say "gun"?!!
Gun control should never coexist with something good so that it can be singled out as the unconstitutional abomination that it is.
Congress demonstrates why it is dysfunctional when it can't ever pass a "clean" bill. Voting for passage should mean endorsement and accountability for any and all provisions...no excuses, no cop outs, no compromises. Without the BS they have plenty of time to process narrowly defined bills. There must be some method of doing this while complying with the rules. The whining is when chicanery is not allowed. I guess it would be really boring without all the gaming.
HankB
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IIRC, at the 11th hour the Democrat speaker (Tom Foley?) allowed a machine gun ban to be added by a voice vote - a voice vote all observers say was clearly LOST - at which point the speaker slammed down his gavel and ended the session.
Republicans, rather than challenging the fraudulently-added machine gun ban, went along with it on the assumption that the good in the bill still outweighed the bad.
Bartholomew Roberts
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LAR-15 may be referring to the fact that the poison pill in question was added in the House, not the Senate.
The machinegun ban was tacked on in the House by Charles Rangell and William Hughes.
No poison pills ever passed the Senate- well okay ultimately the FOPA with the machine gun ban was passed but no poison pill amendments were added during the senate debate.
If Republicans had controlled the House during the FOPA debate, we would never have had a machinegun ban in 1986.
No poison pills ever passed the Senate- well okay ultimately the FOPA with the machine gun ban was passed but no poison pill amendments were added during the senate debate.
If Republicans had controlled the House during the FOPA debate, we would never have had a machinegun ban in 1986.
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