The Ultimate!

[M Jager]

444, and others-
I respectfully disagree with you.
First- I don't like posts that read "My gun is better than your gun. Admit it-My guns better, better, better....."
Many people of pointed out faults with the gun and gotten the "So what, its still the best, I'm right, your wrong" response.
I see nothing wrong with people asking Blain to prove his shotgun is the ulitmate. If someone tries to pass something off as better than everybody elses then they should be able to back it up.
Lastly- Blain has a history of provocative and disrespectfull threads such as this. Look up the Buckshot vs. Buffalo thread I reffered to earlier.
That being said- this thread is getting us no where. Lets let it die.
Matt

 

[444]

If Blain says his shotgun is better than your shotgun, so what ? What would it hurt for you just to say it is nice, or to say nothing at all ? Do you tell people you meet that their kids are ugly ? Do you tell people what you REALLY think of their house, or cars or whatever ? What about if your wife asks you if she looks fat in that dress ? Do you feel the need to cut her to the bone just because that is what you really think ? Or in person do you have enough class that you can let someone else be happy with their purchase and save face ?
Blain also doesn't have to prove his shotgun is the ultimate by shooting against the moderators of this board. That has absolutely nothing to do with his shotgun being the ultimate for starters. I have used that expression for years. I have shown something I bought to my friends and said it was the ultimate. No, I knew that it wasn't. But at that time and place I thought it was the ultimate or wished it was the ultimate or knew it was as close to the ultimate as I was ever going to get. Personally, I am happy that my friends had the class to not try to disprove my claims and let me enjoy myself in my belief, even if it was short lived.
As far as Blain's behavior in other threads; if you didn't like it, why do you feel the need to do the same thing back ? Why drag yourself down to his level ? Is this the High Road or the grade school playground ?
Yeah, let's let this thread drop after I have said what I want to say.

 

[Correia]

444 is correct. I apologize for the rashness of my post as it was not really taking The High Road. After 3 pages of nonsense I'm afraid that I lost my temper.

As for not knowing what I'm talking about concerning professional hunters or combat rifles, come on now. You know exactly what I'm talking about, use the search function. There is a bit of history here before the ULTIMATE.

I fall back on 3 gun because that is my background and experience, and as far as I can tell it is the best way to test your shotgun under fast, difficult, and challenging conditions, perfect testing ground to see what is the ULTIMATE.

 

[jthuang]

laynlow if you see the picture up top of the gun leaning against the pi-annah, there's a rocker switch on the gun forend. I think maybe they started doing this before the new models became standard?

Just to clarify, Skunk is right on this point regarding the Surefire shotgun weaponlight.

The rocker switch (constant on-off) was available on Surefire Responders PRIOR to the introduction of the current -FA series. However, it was an option, not a standard feature. Pre-FA series, the standard offering for a Rem 870 was the Responder 618. This came with a momentary switch, nothing more.

However, for around $100 more, you could upgrade to a 618F Responder, which featured both momentary and constant on/off switches. For the same amount of cash, you could upgrade a 618 to a 618G Responder, which featured both rocker and momentary switches but the rocker switch acted as a cutoff.

The current Responder is denoted by a "FA" suffix. It features both constant and momentary switches. The cost is marginally more than the "standard" Responder w/o F or G option. You can distinguish the FA series by the new "non-slip" grip. The older Responders were kinda slippery and not very good for pump guns.

 

[squibload]

My preference would be for it to go on a diet to lose the vented rib.

It looks different, but not my style. Otherwise, it's a nice combat style 870, with the added "feature" of shooting 3.5 inchers.


That's useful, but only if you plan on shooting 3.5 inchers.

 

[BerettaNut92]

C'mon guys, lighten up.

While I wouldn't put all that stuff on my shotgun (my little arms are too small to hold all that up ) I'm with Duke and 444 on this one. Give the guy a break.

As for our more experiended members, if you genuinely wanted a guy to learn your ways, and instead of challenging to a duel, why not offer to teach some handling and tactics?

Being a lousy shotgunner (I prefer to spend my time with pistols, banjos and cameras), I would take anyone's offer up on some free training, but challening me to a duel over equipment differences doesn't really do anything.

 

[Duke of Lawnchair]

As for our more experiended members, if you genuinely wanted a guy to learn your ways, and instead of challenging to a duel, why not offer to teach some handling and tactics?

That's ONLY after they whip our butts and hand us a nice hot serving of humble-pie!

Everyone here means well, so let's just all BLING outta control!!!!!!!

 

[BerettaNut92]

Everyone here means well, so let's just all BLING outta control!!!!!!!

I already be mad blingin', yo, checkit. Microphone check on the Vang-Comped barrel please?

 

[Correia]

444, Skunk, offers have been made, not just on this thread, but in a ton in the past. Knowledge has been offered. Not just about this, and not just by me. But also about rifles, hunting, and the effectiveness of buckshot.

I've got nothing to prove. There are lots of guys out there who know more than me, and are way way better than me. I try to listen, watch, and learn from them. The last thing I'm going to do is go up to the master class guys and start spouting off about how my hardware is better than theirs.

I don't go around challenging people to shoot, unless they start talking about how super wonderful they are, or how much better their stuff is. I've been whooped plenty of times, and I can flat out admit when I need to learn more, lots more. So no, I don't have much patience for somebody who expresses absolute knowledge about their equipment and its supposed superiority, with no evidence to back it up.

Like I have said before, I like the gun. It is a nice gun. But when you start throwing around terms like ultimate and how we should fear it, and how we don't know what we are talking about, you have got to expect that you are going to catch some flak. You have a couple hundred type A personalities here and about a thousand years of combined shotgunning experience in one room. You can't expect to talk smack and not get called on it.

 

[sm]

Ok Skunk,

Smoke, HSMITH and I will help.

Lesson one:

Never tether yourself to p/u truck bed that is hauling butt downn a country road in seach of wabbits. If you need to bail, you need to bail. Besides it is darn near impossible to to hit a wabbit while being dragged behind said Pickup.

Lesson Two:

When shooting from a hay loft, probably best to actually have the gun handy and "appear" to waiting for the critter getting into chicken-coop. Especially if the Farmer's daughter is up there with you, and daddy gets to looking for his daughter.

 

[444]

"if you genuinely wanted a guy to learn your ways, and instead of challenging to a duel, why not offer to teach some handling and tactics?"

For what it is worth, within the last couple weeks I asked Correia for advice on shotgun handling and he pointed me in the direction of a few threads to get me started.
All you gotta do is ask.

By the way, I hope I don't come off as being some holier than thou type of person. I like this board because most of us try to be civil and make the whole process as pleasent as possible. I hope no one takes my rants the wrong way. I really like the people on this board and enjoy this forum a great deal. We have all seen similar boards go down the dark path; I don't want that to happen here.

 

[BerettaNut92]

When shooting from a hay loft, probably best to actually have the gun handy and "appear" to waiting for the critter getting into chicken-coop. Especially if the Farmer's daughter is up there with you, and daddy gets to looking for his daughter.

sm

 

[Gewehr98]

444, that reminded me of something...

What about if your wife asks you if she looks fat in that dress ?

In one of my most memorable pre-divorce conversations with my now ex-wife:

"Do these pants make my a$$ look fat?"

"No, the fat does that."

(I'm 195, she had me beat by a good 75 pounds by the time we parted ways in the judge's chambers)

CPS1, thanks for the mention of my housegun, but I'd rather not have it compared to Blain's creation, bling-bling notwithstanding. Mine's simply a tool I modified to keep my family safe, and it's done the job on a couple scary occasions. I have no doubts an operator like Correia or DaveMc could grab another scattergun, like my early Remington Model 11, and soundly thrash me in any discipline involving a shotgun. That's a goal I'd like to achieve.

Until then, unless it's restoring vintage military rifles, or long range precision stuff, I won't talk the talk unless I've actually walked the walk, and I've got a lot of walking to do. Maybe not as much as Blain...

 

[Smoke]

Never tether yourself to p/u truck bed that is hauling butt downn a country road in seach of wabbits. If you need to bail, you need to bail. Besides it is darn near impossible to to hit a wabbit while being dragged behind said Pickup.

Thats odd....I don't remember you being there, sm. Did you grow up in Bosque County too?

Smoke

 

[sm]

Divorced, but when married never really got into trouble about the "does this outfit make me look larger?".

Reality is she knew because of a car wreck and not being back 100% she couldn't excercise as before, she knew age played a part. We just accepted, took care of ouselves and didn't get upset about stuff , she was and still is a beauty.

I came home one day , "honey can you tell I gained 9 #'s?' I replied umm no I really can't tell". she replied grinning and holding a 1100 20ga. " Hey dummy I'm holding the 1100 I picked up from getting the new recoil pad and My new IWB holster came in for my Commander".

She got me...gotta laugh...she knew that was "the questions" guys hated to be asked. Yeah, 1100 20 ga.and Commander loaded will weigh in around the 9 # range.

Just how we got along and dealt with it.

 

[sm]

Smoke...
Umm nope - grew up in AR.
You fellas don't have a monopoly on some 'lessons in life".

You folks in TX are good folks. You accept me an let me play in your state. Don't make fun of me and point me to great BBQ and fried apple pies. Even allowed me to "hail fromTX" once on a dove hunt...back when a certain fella from here was residing in D.C.

I was even told I didn't act like a resident of my native state...I acted more like a Texan...that ranks up there as one my bestest compliment ever!!

Got a bad itch to come backdown and bust some more doves and quail...when time and schedule allows.

 

[Smoke]

sm,

Scary that other people did the same stupid, ummmm....silly......ummmm......educational things that I did as a youth.

Come bust our dove again sometime. I know some good BBQ joints. The best is when Dove and Quail season overlap. "If it flies, it dies"

Regards,

Smoke

 

[sm]

Smoke,

Thanks, I'd like that.

Main thing is good folks , good eats, the felling of birds is a bonus.

Sometimes it is easy to forget what is important. We caught up in material stuff and need to get out and smell the cowchips...instead of just stepping in them all the time.

Of course when that bull has other ideas...I ain't smelling much , not looking where running...I just hope I can hop over or dive thru the fence.

Yes I have a certicate from "Pastures 101". I earned that sucker too!

 

[Guyon]

Blain, if he's the same Blain that posts over at huntchat.com, has a history of antagonizing folks that goes beyond just this board. I used to laugh at some of his posts and the ensuing chaos. The "Blain" at huntchat was accused of trolldom more than once.

Blain, that is a nice looking shotgun. I, for one, like the mods. But time spent defending your pride might be better spent sending lead down range.

 

[Gewehr98]

Guyon, that's your man...

This thread is more than a coincidence:

http://www.huntchat.com/showthread.php?threadid=20282

 

[Guyon]

Well, that thread shows that Blain actually did quite a bit of work on his tests.

I was thinking more along the lines of this thread:

http://www.huntchat.com/showthread.php?threadid=11207

On reflection, I don't think Blain's a troll. He's just overzealous. And misunderstood.

 

[WhiteKnight]

Hm. I for one like the shotgun a whole lot. How are you liking the Robar finish?

 

[squibload]

Thanks, WK.

 

[SapperLeader]

Its not a bad shotgun, I dont think thats anyone's issue. Its the word ultimate being bandied around that upsets us. If the thread had been called "Hey guys, look at my awesome new vang comped robarized shotgun", everyone would have responded differently. Its all about semantics and attitude

 

[harrydog]

I just stumbled upon this thread.
At the risk of invoking the wrath of the Moderators (George Hill, Dave McCracken, Correia) I feel that I need to come to Blain's defense.
I really think you guys have missed Blain's point entirely. He merely put together what he considers to be the ultimate shotgun. He never, ever said that he could out shoot any of you guys. He did imply that a better weapon will most likely make a good shooter even better, and I happen to agree with that. Yet you guys pound on him with your macho challenges of being able to outshoot him any time, anywhere, with your old beat up shotgun or any old out-of-the-box gun. So what? What's your point? No one ever claimed that equipment was more important than training, yet you guys seem to be so eager to spout your opinions that you can't even see what the guy was saying in the first place, and you immediately put him of the defensive. The guy’s just very happy with his new gun. I can certainly see the argument that this is not the ultimate shotgun, as that's a very subjective thing since most all modern shotguns are quite good and what works best for one may not work best for another. But you guys seemed to immediately go off topic with your "software vs. hardware" rhetoric. That's another subject altogether!
Did Blain say he could outshoot any of you? Did he say training was unimportant? Did he challenge anyone? I can understand this from some of the other posters here, but I would expect more from Moderators.
Blain has never claimed anything about himself. He’s just extremely happy with his new gun. Yet it’s you guys who are acting as if you have something to prove. Sheesh!
Nice shotgun Blain!