Thinking about switching to Golden Sabers for all my carry ammo (.380, .40, .357)

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I carry an assortment of ammo brands and types for my different guns and am getting tired of them being changed/discontinued and having to work up a new trusted carry load. Golden Sabers seem to always have a good reputation and are made consistently enough to used for many years without being changed every 6 months... I currently carry a Ruger LCP (.380), Sig P239 (.40), and Ruger LCR (.357).

Any advice on using Golden Sabers in these calibers? Any apprehension with this ammo in any of these guns?
 
That's what I carry in 9mm and .45 (have since the late '90s). My dad uses them in his bedside .40. No problems with function, in any of the calibers listed above. Never had to use them for SD, thank God.
 
Couple of youtubes i have seen shows the .380acp does not expand, the others are good to go.
 
NO!.....

For God's sake & the love of all that's holy do not buy any Remington Golden Saber JHPs. :eek:

In 11/2013, I got a 25rd box of Golden Saber 185gr +P JHP from www.Route66sportinggoods.com in western PA. I was working in Clarion PA on a business project & had my M&P Compact .45acp pistol.
The $28.00 USD box of Remington Golden Saber JHPs were terrible. :mad:
The brass had spots & weird red-brown streaks. :confused:
The .45acp bullets looked low quality & a few didn't appear properly seated. :rolleyes:
For the $, I was very un-satisfied. I owned & shot a few boxes of Golden Saber too. In the 1990s mostly with my .357magnum SP101 & my 96D .40S&W.
Id suggest buying a few boxes or trying another high quality well made brand like Speer Gold Dot, Corbon DPX, HST, Ranger T/T Series, Hornady Critical Duty, etc.

For my Glock 21 .45acp, I got a new 50rd box of Ranger T/T Series 230gr +P JHP. The ammunition was not cheap but all the rounds look factory fresh & high quality. ;)
I purchased some Hornady Critical Duty loads too in .45acp. I would have no problems carrying those rounds or suggesting that brand either.

You can try Golden Saber but don't buy several boxes. Just see if they improved the QC since 2013. :rolleyes:

Rusty
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I use golden sabers for my Ruger LCR 38spl, seem fine to me. I use Winchester T series for 45ACP, and Speer gold dot for 44spl.
 
No problem with gloden sabers. Get the bonded ones when you can. They usually come in the 50 round box. BJHP does not mean it's bonded. We are issued the 180 grain bonded for 40 S&W
 
The 357 Golden Sabers have been very accurate...give them a try. They are not full power loads, but still suitable for full sized guns.
 
I have used Golden Saber bullets in reloads in a 10mm with awesome results. Don't know anything about factory junk.
 
They've always been good for me! I carry the 125+P GS in my LCR and load the 125 .357 in my .38s. Good stuff. Accuracy is better, for me, than with Gold Dots. My chrono results have always been good. See tnoutdoors9 on youtube for tests.

Re those 185+P GS rounds. They are really stout! Haven't chronoed them, but man they rock.
 
380 no go. I have seen on tests up to 80FPS difference on a 5 shot string and have never view a jell test where they expanded 100% of time

I carry DPX in my 380's
 
When I carry my 9mm I carry golden sabers because the bullet is rounded at the top rather than sharply angled like many other jhp designs. To me I would rather a rounded edgd hit my feed ramp than a sharp edge.

I haven't had any reliability issues or issues with manufacturer quality.

Everything else I carry Hornaday.
 
I prefer Golden Sabre as they usually come in the bullet weights I like to shoot for defensive loads. For example I like to carry 165 or 155 gr rounds in my .40 handguns when I can because those usually group better than 180. Haven't tried any of the bonded stuff yet though.

.380 is a tough cartridge to make defensive rounds for. Tons of utube videos are around doing ballistic tests to find ammo that can expand reliably, penetrate deep enough without going past 18". A video series I watched had over 20 ammo brands for 380 and the best ammo was the Lehigh Xtreme Penetrator.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LczfeWK9lHw
 
They seem a little weak compared to Gold Dots, but hotter than cheap WWB JHPS. I have used them in .45 ACP for years. They fed and shot POA in all of my 45s, which at the time, consisted of a 3.5" para, 4" Kimber, several 5" 1911s, two Tommy Guns, and an AR15. I could also get them at Wal-Mart while grocery shopping and trying to find the one pair of 30x32 jeans they had in stock.
 
Golden sabers are excellent in your two larger calibers. However in the .380 the rnd that excels over all others is the much maligned Federal hydra -shock . For both penetration and expansion.Check out the 380 comparison tests on u-tube. very informative.
 
I've been using Remington Golden Sabre (HPJ/BJHP, non-bonded) loads for several years, as it was on the state contract for a while.

I've seen some many ten's of thousands of rounds of it fired downrange in 9 (124gr +P), .40 (180gr) & .45 ACP (230gr), and a small number in secondary/off-duty calibers of .38 Spl (125gr +P) & .380 ACP (102gr).

I can only think of a handful of instances where some QC issue resulted in a round that wouldn't feed, chamber or fire. (A couple over-length, improperly trimmed cases, a couple mangled case mouths & inert/bad primers. That's not at all bad over the course of so many pallets of cases being fired, I'd think.)

I did read a notice sent out to LE customers a few years ago, involving 2-3 production lots of LE-Only production, reportedly involving some short-loaded rounds (reduced powder charges), which I was told had resulted in key-holing during training/quals at a couple of agencies ... but I can think of other major ammo makers who have had similar occurrences over the years, too.

Yes, the brass jacketed bullets can sometimes appear tarnished or darker colored. I've seen many bins of loose Golden Sabre rounds exhibit assorted "mottled" and darker tinged brass jackets, as well as some of the black case mouth sealant having oozed up and over the case mouth. The primer pocket sealant has varied a bit in appearance, as well.

I can also think of some "finish & cosmetic appearance" issues I've seen in some other rounds produced by other major ammo makers, too.

You see enough pallets of cases of various loads come through a range over the years, you see some cosmetic variations. ;)

I've seen my fair share of gel test shots done during agency hosted manufacturer gel shoots, and the Rem Golden Sabre rounds have generally done comparably to other premium-type hollowpoints being offered by the major American makers as LE/duty/defensive loads.

One advantage the regular consumer is offered in the Rem Golden Sabre line is being able to buy 25-round boxes instead of 20-rd boxes. FWIW, I've ever only seen the 9 & .45 duty loads arrive in cases of 25-rd boxes, but occasionally the .40 loads would arrive in cases packaged in 50-rd boxes.

I don't know if they're still using it, but as I recall, for some years the .45 230gr standard Golden Sabre was the choice of duty ammo by the FBI (for agents using 1911's).

The muzzle flash is fairly subdued in reduced light, but there are often some orange "burning embers" thrown off. While not what I'd necessarily call "dirty" loads, I'd not exactly think of them as being the "cleanest burning" of loads, either.

Some internet gun enthusiasts like to espouse the "advantages" of the bonded version, but last time I talked to Rem LE rep, he said they'd only started making the bonded version to be able to get that piece of the LE market, and that most agencies were more interested in buying the standard non-bonded rounds. Maybe so. I don't have a particular affinity for the bonded version, myself.

I know there's some private "tests" done and available online that show jacket loss among some of the lines, and some folks have expressed a concern about it, but it isn't something that worries me. In the gel tests I've observed (4-layer denim & windshield glass scenarios) jacket loss was a very infrequent event (and not limited to the Rem loads, either).

I'm sort of anxious to see when the new Rem HPJ Golden Sabre load makes the rounds, the new "belted" design. Last I saw, the commercial name was "Black Belt", seemingly derived from the black metal band that "belted" the bullet on the outside of the jacket, reportedly to help the jacket better hold onto the lead ingot under a wide range of conditions, while not restricting or impeding expansion. Seemingly, the best of both types of LE bullets, meaning standard/non-bonded & bonded. Interesting to see how it does, I'd think.

In the meantime, I'll continue to use both the Rem Golden Sabre and Win SXT/T-Series, both of which have been issued rounds at various times over the years. Both have been on the CA state contract at different times in 9/.40, and the T-Series contract was extended a year until this Fall. I haven't yet learned about the next contract.

Just some thoughts.
 
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I've used Golden Sabers in 380, 9mm, 38spl, 357mag, and 45acp.

I'm favorably impressed. But I think there's little difference in the performance of any top shelf hollowpoints. They're all good.
 
Golden Saber is a good bullet, I carried it for a while, but after shooting Gold Dots and HST that's exclusively what I use. They're just so darn consistently excellent, in addition to being modern, effective designs. Once the HST has been around a bit longer I'll probably switch over to it entirely, since the performance of that design is mind-bogglingly good.
 
I've seen too many gel tests where the jacket and core separate
with the Gold Sabers. I have Federal HST JHPs in .45 ACP as well
as the Hornady XTP 230 gr. .45 ACP

9x19 +P 147 gr. XTP JHP @ 1,100 FPS

The XTPs expand approx. 1.5X bore diameter, reliably
The HST approx. 1.75X bore dia.

R-
 
I recently switched to Federal HST for my 9mm, .40S&W, 357Sig and .45acp handguns. Not to say they're the best or nothing else works, but I too prefer the "one and done" route.
My P238HD is still loaded with 95gr Critical Defended (actually Zmax sans the nickel brass), but it works well so I'm not holding my breath for a HST load in. 380acp.
 
For me, the Golden Saber is not the best choice, especially when considering the price. My limited use has shown them not to be consistent in expansion. With the number of premium cartridges available, we can do better than Remington for our c /c weapons. My favorites are Winchester Ranger and Critical Duty. They always penetrate and expand.
 
I find Golden Sabers to be a good bullet in the 9mm through .45 acp. Not a big fan of the 102gr in .380, still carry Federal Hydra Shoks in that caliber. I load Golden Saber bullets as components in 9mm, .38 spl, .357 mag and .45 acp as well as carry factory loads in those calibers. I find them to be accurate and everything I've seen on Youtube shows that they reliably expand through clothing and penetrate well in the gelatin tests.

The GS ammo can usually be found at lower price point with a little shopping and looking for sales. At least they sell in boxes of 25 civilian packaging as well as 50 round police surplus. Just picked up 2 boxes of 25 rounds +p 9mm for $11.98 a box.

I don't see a reason to "standardize" ones ammo but if that's your thing the Golden Sabers are as good a choice as any of the others in premium defense ammo IMO.
 
My experience with Golden Saber:

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Yes, that's a .38 case loaded as a .357 round. The cartridges are sitting on the box they came out of.
 
I ran them in my 9mm (147 grain) and .45 (230 grain) for a number of years, never had an issue. Local store doesn't carry them since I moved, so I carry something else now.
 
Post #15.....

In a response to post #15:
I've seen & read from different sources the main round used for .45acp sidearms by the FBI: regional SWAT & HRT is the Winchester PDX1 230gr +P JHP.
 
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