This explains a lot about the 22lr issues

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No problem, sellers at gun shows in Oregon have admitted the same. A known gun dealer sends his employees out to Walmart & other stores to vacuum up whatever supply they can so they can re-sell for higher prices. At some point it will stop, but as long as they are selling some/most then they will continue with the behavior. Until volume becomes too much and overwhelms their ability to empty the system.
You have to remember that the LGS is in the same position as the individual shooter. Their source of ammo has dried up. They have to work harder to provide product for their customers so if checking the big retailers for product is what they have to do to keep ammo on the shelf then thats ok in my book. If you want ammo you are just going to have to get to the store before they do. Thats all you have to do.

As to the supply of 22lr, I really don't see it getting better,ever. Production capacity is just not enogh to meet the demand of some 100 million + shooters (US only) or a fraction of them.
 
As to the supply of 22lr, I really don't see it getting better,ever.

One of the nice things about a capitalist system is that you'll be wrong. In the short term, no, it may not get better. In the long term, as long as a 22LR costs 2 cents to produce and can be sold for 10-20 cents a round, somebody will step in eventually.
 
"As to the supply of 22lr, I really don't see it getting better,ever. Production capacity is just not enogh to meet the demand of some 100 million + shooters (US only) or a fraction of them."

Yep. While Doomsayers always get a lot of attention until the crisis is over it is harder and harder to preach the coming end of the 22 shooting world. Black rifles are not only back on dealer’s shelves but the stores like Cabela’s are running them on sale at discounted prices. Centerfire ammunition is also finding their way back on the shelves.

In the early 1990’s Czar El Reno’s FBI was busy killing unarmed mothers holding babies in their arms, the BATF held a Texas size bar-be-que at Waco, Texas with 76 people being on the main menu and the FBI forcibly took a child from his American relatives and sent him to Cuba to live out his life in one of the most Communist countries in the world instead as a free citizen. The Brady Bill and Assault Weapons Ban were passed, in April, 1998 Clinton signed an order that permanently banned the importation of more than 50 types of semiautomatic "assault weapons" and in 2001 Clinton also used executive orders to ban the importation of "assault pistols" and tighten licensing rules on gun dealers.

Major gun manufacturers such as Smith & Wesson and Ruger abandoned gun owners in an effort to compromise with Clinton Administration against this wholesale assault on the 2nd Amendment.

On April 19, 1995 Terry Nichols and Timothy McVeigh motivated by their hatred of the federal government and angered by what they perceived as its mishandling of the 1993 Waco siege and the Ruby Ridge incident in 1992 bombed the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995. It would remain the most destructive act of terrorism in the United States until the attack on the Twin Towers in 2001.

All of this led to widespread shortages of primers, reloading supplies and ammunition, especially 22’s, as citizens armed themselves against this massive attack by the Government.

The reason for this lengthy discourse is too show this is not the first time gun owner rights have been under major attack or the first time citizens fear of the actions of the Federal Government have led to widespread ammunition shortages and in spite of the Government’s best efforts ammunition supplies not only returned to normal but were commonly offered at sale prices.

While some areas of the country seem to still be experiencing shortages of ammunition as a general rule supplies have improved greatly. Frankly Queen of Thunder I don't know where you are shopping for 22 LR but I am starting to get emails from on-line dealers advertising 22 LR availability and pre-ordering.

Yesterday I got a tip on a LGS that has plenty of 22 in stock. As a matter of fact I have purchased more powder, bullets, powder and ammunition at normal pre-panic prices in 2013 than in the previous three years. My not so secret is shopping on the Internet, getting signed up for back orders and in stock notifications and shopping at smaller LGS,s.
 
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One of the nice things about a capitalist system is that you'll be wrong. In the short term, no, it may not get better. In the long term, as long as a 22LR costs 2 cents to produce and can be sold for 10-20 cents a round, somebody will step in eventually.
There is no capitalism rich people pay politicians to destroy competition. You can barely sell a car around here without it costing a chunk of money and you almost need dealer lisence, which no one can get anyway. Paid off politicians getting money from car dealers
 
It's great that the only .22 ammo that nobody wants is going to be the most readily available. :barf: Seriously though, I'll take whatever I can get at this point.

I think it's especially great because it seems to mean that Remington is fairly easy to get for me. And, to be honest, this bias against Remington simply tickles me pink because I'm not having ANY of the problems with Remington that people complain about, for whatever reason.

Seems to me that people ought to reconsider their personal bias enough to buy a box or two and see if it's still justified. But if they don't, then it's like I tell my kids when they say they don't want something: "More for Daddy!"
 
Just observing and listening to some people at some ranges I realized how many new shooters we have.It seems to me that they have plenty of money but little knowledge of the sport.Oldtimers like me who hunted to supplement our diet can't believe the prices of all things hunting related.
 
Anything would be welcomed out here in my area as 22lr is rare and expensive if you buy it from a LGS. Academy is the only place where any ammo can be found at a reasonable price if you call today's prices reasonable. You know I would love to see some of those pre panic prices on ammo that people talk about but I doubt I ever will.
 
Reckon how many people got a new .22 pistol or rifle for Christmas and will be wanting some ammo to shoot, making the problem even worse?
 
Reckon how many people got a new .22 pistol or rifle for Christmas and will be wanting some ammo to shoot, making the problem even worse?
To Queen of THunders original point, it will not get better any time soon. Of course the market will eventually correct itself but it could easily get worse in the short term before we see any long term relief.

In fact, I bought 3,000 rounds in November including a 1400 bucket. I have bought 0 in December with just as many trips to Academy.
 
My buddy gave me two boxes of Federal match today for Christmas. I was very excited. :)
Yep. And my Uncle Bob is getting a box of 325 when I get to the farm on Saturday. Wrapped in Silver wrapping paper with a big bow.
 
About Remington Thunderbolt 22 LR

I heard they made a few batches of misfiring ammo a couple years ago. I can attest that my friend and I got some bricks of that stuff.

His Ruger Mk III and Walther 22 would misfire on 1 in 10 for some magazines full. None of my Mk Ruger II pistols, nor my SP101s would fire them reliably, either. My Ruger 10-22 seemed to be OK with them, though.

I have a few rounds that I kept for documentation purposes, one with seven firing pin strikes, none of which fired the round.

My friend will not buy Remington 22s ever again. I am more forgiving, but if anything else is available, I will take it.

This experience was with a several bricks of Remington Thunderbolt. I have no information about their other 22LR loads and have experienced no problems with their primers.

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I just bought myself a 500 round bulk pack of Remington Thunderbolts for $25 the other day for Christmas. The prices and availability on everything are coming back to normal locally (in central PA in case anyone is lacking ammo and passing through), and this is the first .22 I've bought in months. I just wasn't paying the crazy prices for it.
 
For December I've managed to pick up 675 rounds. My gunsmith got 375 rounds of it and my son got the other 300 rounds plus another 4700 rounds for Christmas. Now I'm short again.


As to when the supply gets back to normal is an open ended question. Ask yourself of the 100 million gun owners how many own and shoot 22lr. Ask yourself if 1,000 rounds shot in a year by a 22lr owner is a good startinig point. Now take that 1,000 and multiply it by what ever fraction of the 100 million gun owners you think is reasonable and the ask yourself if the ammo producers can make that much ammo in a years time. Now take a guess on how much 22lr is on back order. Ask yourself do you really think it will be better next year at this time.
 
Some people are willing to pay more, just to get .22 ammo. I live in Atlanta, and .22 is the last caliber that it hard to find locally.
 
Of course it's a matter of personal choice if someone wants to pay obviously high prices. I choose not to pay these prices but I will not castigate a person who does because he may have a reason that I am not privy to. The free market is a fickle place sometimes but it works when it is allowed to work. Stay safe everyone!
 
8 cents a round is my absolute limit and that is twice what I paid a year ago. Haven't bought much even at that price. Not everyone who owns a .22 shoots a thousand rounds a year, but some much much more. I have a brick of Win. Wildcats that is 30 years old and I owned at least 3 .22s during that span and probably only shot one brick. I didn't really start shooting a lot until the last 18 months and luckily acquired some a few months before the election. The last I bought in this town was last July and I happened to be in a store when the UPS man delivered it.
 
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