This guy is INSANE!

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"Let the Buyer Beware" While I admire your diligence, IMHO, I'm not sure there's room on ANY forum to shoot a flare each time an auctioned gun is waaaay "overvalued" by the seller.
 
They have an option to flag as overpriced, but I'm not sure that this piece is quite as overpriced as you think. He's asking $1000. The gun might not be worth that much, but it's certainly not quadruple the actual cost.
 
Not. Have you seen what those rough domestically made WWII 1911s bring. Last one I seen made by Rand or Band? or whatever with bone dry junk holster had tag of $2000. Me thinks ole' guys completely lost their minds. South American Sistema Colt is head and shoulders above most of those I have seen.
 
I would think the gun is only $250-300 being re-finished...

I realize it isn't probably appropriate every time however, the price is grossly inflated. I'm all about making a profit but this is immoral and borderline criminal.

https://www.box.com/s/zti82yaj00p79ze7113i

The above is a link to the gun's value according the the 2009 Standard Catalog of Firearms....

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I mean, if I'm wrong...I'm wrong and I'll choke it down

Everybody makes mistakes, and I'll be the first to admit if I've done one...but multiple websites and black and white don't lie...
 
.....and 2009 Standard Catalog of Firearms is too rough to use as anal wipe.
 
Really?

I find most of the prices are nearly spot on....

To each his/her own, but whatever, I'm obviously not losing "MY" money or sleep.
 
I probably could if I was in the market for an "El-Cheapo 1911-ish pistola. I might buy one just to make the others look better.

Kinda like that ONE ugly "thick" chic always hanging out with the skinny valley girl types...

My point?

1911's are NOT created equal
 
It's a military piece of an older vintage. It's going to pull a bit more than a cheapo RIA.

$1000 is probably a bit high yes, but the market value on this gun is still in the $650-800 range.
 
To be honest I'd rather buy that cheapo RIA, I'd even go cheaper than that and pick up a Regent R100 before buying this.

I would say if it was "Like-New" with the original finish in the 95-100% range I would consider it for maybe $4-500
 
Why do you care? What business is it of yours what he asks for it? If his price is too high for you, don't buy it.

Keep in mind, what is high to you may not be to someone else. You never know, someone might be looking for that exact gun and consider that price reasonable. I've dropped lots of money on things I wanted that no one else I know would own, does that mean the item isn't worth what I paid for it?
 
My "cheapo RIA" works just as well as my issued Colt did back in the day. The original stuff is more valuable because of the history involved. That and they weren't CNC made. It is only worth what a person is willing to pay. Why knock other peoples choices?
 
My "cheapo RIA" works just as well as my issued Colt did back in the day. The original stuff is more valuable because of the history involved. That and they weren't CNC made. It is only worth what a person is willing to pay. Why knock other peoples choices?
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I'm not knocking your RIA. I'm actually considering buying one myself. I'm just saying that you can't use it (and other cheaper new production 1911's) as a price basis for comparing to a vintage piece that has collectors value attached to it (which regardless of how well it might function, I can assure you that an RIA will never have).

Realistically, regardless of what an outdated price guide might state, these pistols are no where NEAR $300. Being C&R eligible I can guarantee you that if I could find one for that price I would have snapped it up long ago. You're not going to get one of these for under $600 period, and $800 wouldn't be unheard of.
 
I guess we can all agree to disagree....

If someone wants to spend "their" money on this than so be it. I just don't think he should be insinuating that this weapon has that high of value. This is why I stopped going to small gun shows, its because of people like this who think they can take advantage of the unknowing buyer. It's EXACTLY why I care enough to had said something. I'm sure some of you like throwing your money away (it's yours, you have a right to do so) but I work fairly hard AND honestly for mine.

My personal opinion is that these are junk, I wouldn't own one. I would take that $3-500 and put it down on a nice 1911. If I were to buy an older 1911 for collective purposes, I would buy one that was actually worth something and not only retain it's value but have continuing value.

This gun "for me" (and I'm sure others) is neither a viable "plinking, defense, or, collective" firearm. If people think these are worth $6-700, I don't see the point of wasting the money on this POS...why not save a little more and get a nice older COLT model.

This firearm is re-finished, there is NO collective value to it anymore. People will argue both ways.
 
This firearm is re-finished, there is NO collective value to it anymore. People will argue both ways.
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Arsenal refinished. A refinish as part of the guns service life prior to import really doesn't hurt it that bad. IE almost every Mosin Nagant on the market has been "refinished" at some point or another just as part of its service life. They still retain their collectors value.

As to your opinion of this gun being "junk" - that isn't borne out at all in the experiences of others. For the most part these have the reputation of being completely reliable quality pieces.

Realistically, you as an individual buyer do not determine the value of any item - the market does. As such I'm terribly sorry if you don't agree, but the MARKET does not place these things as low as you're speculating.

I personally don't see putting more than $150 for an SKS myself, but that doesn't mean that the market doesn't believe they're worth more, and hence regardless of my personal feelings, their market value is higher. You have to live with that fact.

You've basically started an entire thread and went on for nearly a page because you found a slightly overpriced pistol for sale on the internet.
 
It really doesn't matter, everybody has an opinion. I personally like a this forum just for the fact that people can argue individual opinions without getting "flamed" for them.....usually.

I can agree it depends on which market and where, but I also agree that people should know "real" value vs. market value. I didn't make up the value's listed in the 2009 Catalog of Firearms, and I realize that was 2 years ago, but it shouldn't inflate that much
 
So, your mission in life is going around flagging things you don't agree with and arguing with everyone who disagrees with you?

How about people who will buy the gun aren't as stupid as you apparently think they all are, and as a collector, they'll be as knowledgable as you and maybe more so about the specific gun and manufacturer.

If you don't like it - flag it on the sale web site as being over priced and move on to something that is at least slightly productive.
 
If you read the forum, I did flag it. I also only posted it here because I think it's grossly inflated. Is it my "mission" NO...just as much as it isn't your mission to post your response.

What's good for the gander is good for the goose eh?

If everybody did as you suggested there wouldn't be forums...this IS a place to post questions and thoughts.
 
Some of those old guns can be great deals. I picked up a ARG.(HAFDASA ) made"Ballester-Molina .45acp. Got it for $250 at pawn shop.Put reg.1911nite sites & later some grips (the rubber ones w/a place for fingers ) this gun was marked ARG.NAVY.IT is in Ex. shape. These guns look like the 1911!But they are not the same, this gun has no grip safety, but a much better trigger! Like glass & very accurate. I think that it is a great buy especially if you don't care for a grip safety . I only use it for plinking now. There seems to be a flood of .45acp 1911s out there. Some are great buys! But beware some are junk & not worth the hassel. Let the buyer beware! Good advice! Good luck! Marry X-MAS.
 
Some of those old guns can be great deals. I picked up a ARG.(HAFDASA ) made"Ballester-Molina .45acp. Got it for $250 at pawn shop.Put reg.1911nite sites & later some grips (the rubber ones w/a place for fingers ) this gun was marked ARG.NAVY.IT is in Ex. shape. These guns look like the 1911!But they are not the same, this gun has no grip safety, but a much better trigger! Like glass & very accurate. I think that it is a great buy especially if you don't care for a grip safety . I only use it for plinking now. There seems to be a flood of .45acp 1911s out there. Some are great buys! But beware some are junk & not worth the hassel. Let the buyer beware! Good advice! Good luck! Marry X-MAS.
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krupp: Your Ballester-Molina is a little different than the Sistema Colt being listed here. It's 1911-ish in design, but has some changes like you mentioned. The Sistemas like the one in the article are true 1911's, and draw a slightly higher price.

Even your Ballester-Molina has gone up in price though. $250 was about the going price for those about 10 years ago. Now they're more like $450-500.
 
Looks like the last couple that sold on Gunbroker went for around $700. One went for $706 and someone bought the other one at the "Buy it Now" price of $675. $1000 as an asking price doesn't seem out of line to me.
 
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