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I will admit up front that I have never even seen one in person. But I still find it an attactive package. It appears to me that they have taken what most people like from the AR design and made it better. But the biggest improvement over everything else IMO is that it is offered in 6.8spc. Again I have never even seen this cartridge, but it appears to again improve upon what is already standard.
Some may say those improvements aren't enough to justify it's existence. The same can be said for most equipment and systems, but a car is just a car, now put some air conditioning in it and ooh la la, a much more comfortable ride, especially in the summer time.
Buy it if you want it, if not, ignore it and just continue to stare in amazement how simple things make simple people happy. There'll come a day when your curiosity will get the best of you and you'll try it out and you'll either understand the praise or you'll continue to be bewildered by all the fuss over nothin'.
Some may say those improvements aren't enough to justify it's existence. The same can be said for most equipment and systems, but a car is just a car, now put some air conditioning in it and ooh la la, a much more comfortable ride, especially in the summer time.
Buy it if you want it, if not, ignore it and just continue to stare in amazement how simple things make simple people happy. There'll come a day when your curiosity will get the best of you and you'll try it out and you'll either understand the praise or you'll continue to be bewildered by all the fuss over nothin'.
variablebinary
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I got a few PM's asking about how the SCAR compares to the XCR.
At this point, I would take the XCR. Why? Because the XCR has a slew of options, configurations and is overall a more interesting firearm. The XCR trigger is better, the ergos are better, and I like being able to actually get SBR barrels
The SCAR is expensive, but it has better sights, a better stock, better barrel and better refinement due to its being the SOCOM gun. The SCAR balances and feels much lighter than the XCR even though it isnt.
The worse part of the SCAR in IMHO is the lack of SBR barrels. Bugs me. The SCAR will get sold if this is not remedied in 2010.
So if you want a real 3rd generation carbine, you'll get the XCR. It's got the options and features at an unmatched price point.
The SCAR is cool, but at this stage in its life cycle, it's quite limited for what you pay.
At this point, I would take the XCR. Why? Because the XCR has a slew of options, configurations and is overall a more interesting firearm. The XCR trigger is better, the ergos are better, and I like being able to actually get SBR barrels
The SCAR is expensive, but it has better sights, a better stock, better barrel and better refinement due to its being the SOCOM gun. The SCAR balances and feels much lighter than the XCR even though it isnt.
The worse part of the SCAR in IMHO is the lack of SBR barrels. Bugs me. The SCAR will get sold if this is not remedied in 2010.
So if you want a real 3rd generation carbine, you'll get the XCR. It's got the options and features at an unmatched price point.
The SCAR is cool, but at this stage in its life cycle, it's quite limited for what you pay.
Maverick223
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Is the SCAR going to be available in black, all that I have seen (in person or in photographs) were evil beige rifles, and IMO a little ugly, though much better in person.
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Is the SCAR going to be available in black, all that I have seen (in person or in photographs) were evil beige rifles, and IMO a little ugly, though much better in person.
2010 sometime
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ny32182
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I agree with VB's assessment of the platforms as they compare today.
I am not 100% thrilled with the stock on either platform right now; the SCAR's is more versatile; the XCR's feels a LOT more solid and durable.
If/when I buy a SCAR, it may be the only firearm I own that I bought from the beginning as 80% investment/safe queen, and 20% shooter. I.e. I won't really care about SBRing it or being able to modify it in any way. If you want a shooter, I would recommend the XCR due to the availablity of the rifles and parts, cost, and configurability. With the SCAR, what you see is what you will get.
Speaking as a lefty: though not optimally placed, the reversibility of the charging handle on the SCAR is nice (though not sure I would actually reverse it), and the ambi mag catch is definitely nice.
I am not 100% thrilled with the stock on either platform right now; the SCAR's is more versatile; the XCR's feels a LOT more solid and durable.
If/when I buy a SCAR, it may be the only firearm I own that I bought from the beginning as 80% investment/safe queen, and 20% shooter. I.e. I won't really care about SBRing it or being able to modify it in any way. If you want a shooter, I would recommend the XCR due to the availablity of the rifles and parts, cost, and configurability. With the SCAR, what you see is what you will get.
Speaking as a lefty: though not optimally placed, the reversibility of the charging handle on the SCAR is nice (though not sure I would actually reverse it), and the ambi mag catch is definitely nice.
o313
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Let me vouch for the XCR's stock, it may look like a certain brand of cheaper stocks on the market but I assure you it is not. I know first hand the stock is strong enough that when struck against the ground the bolt will cycle.
I don't recommend doing it without gloves or rail covers.
I don't recommend doing it without gloves or rail covers.
Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
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Let's not forget that the SCAR works much better as a boat paddle!
Yes, they are, since the XCR has no sights.
How do you figure that it's better than the XCRs? My is both folding and adjustable. Not to mention, by most reports here, sounds like it's more durable.
In what way? Talking sheer accuracy only? I'm not doubting you, just asking what you base this on?
Again, I believe you, but can you describe HOW it's more refined?
Does the SCAR have the optional "instant" 2-way bolt control?
That's a significant advantage sounds like - dunno how they accomplished that.
About the only thing I don't like about the XCR, other than weight, is the plastic charging handle shroud. I wish they'd have made this out of aluminum.
Yes, they are, since the XCR has no sights.
How do you figure that it's better than the XCRs? My is both folding and adjustable. Not to mention, by most reports here, sounds like it's more durable.
In what way? Talking sheer accuracy only? I'm not doubting you, just asking what you base this on?
Again, I believe you, but can you describe HOW it's more refined?
Does the SCAR have the optional "instant" 2-way bolt control?
That's a significant advantage sounds like - dunno how they accomplished that.
About the only thing I don't like about the XCR, other than weight, is the plastic charging handle shroud. I wish they'd have made this out of aluminum.
ITSTOCK
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A short comparison of the XCR and SCAR can be found here as well... (EDIT: Actually, it was already posted a couple pages back doh)
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=24&t=295328
Without a doubt, I would take the XCR. Out of the current, available options, the XCR win's hands down. The ultimate assault rifle might be quite a bit more futuristic weapon that doesn't need cartridges, maybe a laser of some kind, but again, for current options, it's hard to beat the XCR.
The SCAR stock is definitely better do to adjustable cheek/comb. HOWEVER, as noted in the linked above comparison of mine, the hinge mechanism blows compared to the XCR.
The SCAR barrel is better because it is a 1:7 cold hammer forged barrel.
As for balance, I don't noticed as much as VB. Mine is a light barrel though, perhaps he had the heavy. On ergonomics, other than the charging handle being able to switch sides, the XCR does EVERYTHING better. The charging handle itself is in a better location, and the thing that really irks me about the SCAR is the horrible AR style bolt release. The XCR nailed the location on this one.
FWIW, I have well over 10,000 rounds of light (range, no classes of any kind, just good old paper targets at my own leisurely pace) use on my XCR, zero problems of any kind. The majority of ammo has been Wolf 55grain. It's my most fired and one of my most favorite weapons.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=24&t=295328
Without a doubt, I would take the XCR. Out of the current, available options, the XCR win's hands down. The ultimate assault rifle might be quite a bit more futuristic weapon that doesn't need cartridges, maybe a laser of some kind, but again, for current options, it's hard to beat the XCR.
The SCAR stock is definitely better do to adjustable cheek/comb. HOWEVER, as noted in the linked above comparison of mine, the hinge mechanism blows compared to the XCR.
The SCAR barrel is better because it is a 1:7 cold hammer forged barrel.
As for balance, I don't noticed as much as VB. Mine is a light barrel though, perhaps he had the heavy. On ergonomics, other than the charging handle being able to switch sides, the XCR does EVERYTHING better. The charging handle itself is in a better location, and the thing that really irks me about the SCAR is the horrible AR style bolt release. The XCR nailed the location on this one.
FWIW, I have well over 10,000 rounds of light (range, no classes of any kind, just good old paper targets at my own leisurely pace) use on my XCR, zero problems of any kind. The majority of ammo has been Wolf 55grain. It's my most fired and one of my most favorite weapons.
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variablebinary
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The XCR stock can be used as a breaching tool, but the SCAR stock better accommodates different body types, clothing worn, body armor and optics configurations, thus making it an overall better stock at the expense of some durability.
Thankfully, I've been living with the XCR for awhile, so I've learned to make it work (low mounts, low sights).
One of the best things about the XCR is Robarm. They support the XCR much better than FN supports the SCAR. I can get XCR spares out the ying yang. I cant get jack from FN. No barrels, bolts, springs...nada. That grates and is utter BS! I can get HK 416 spares easier and they suck and hate us...
You make a good point about the SCAR's completeness, while the XCR still doesn't have an ambi mag release. It's part of what I mean about refinement. Still, at this point the XCR is still the better gun and better buy. The XCR lives up to what SOCOM originally intended to have: a modular weapon system. The SCAR by comparison is far more limited.
Shadow Man
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Agent, I'm still waiting for you to answer my questions...the one's I asked back on page three or four. Just answer the questions already!
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Shadow man
“ 100,000 rds is quite a few Agent. I'm curious, in that many rounds,
what parts have you had to replace?
I went through 2 barrels, but the second barrel lasted a lot longer because I had it treated.
What was your longest period of extended fire (in number of rounds) and how hot was the BCG after that? How badly did she start stringing her shots during extended fire?
300 rounds ( 3 beta c-mags )
This particular XCR is my range gun so I had it plated with NP3 ( just the internals )
on the top of that I use s-oil , I also check every thing before I fire , just to make sure everything is tight.
looking at prices of these things, and knowing the prices of ammo
I buy ammo in very large quantaties direct from the factories , every few years .
“ 100,000 rds is quite a few Agent. I'm curious, in that many rounds,
what parts have you had to replace?
I went through 2 barrels, but the second barrel lasted a lot longer because I had it treated.
What was your longest period of extended fire (in number of rounds) and how hot was the BCG after that? How badly did she start stringing her shots during extended fire?
300 rounds ( 3 beta c-mags )
This particular XCR is my range gun so I had it plated with NP3 ( just the internals )
on the top of that I use s-oil , I also check every thing before I fire , just to make sure everything is tight.
looking at prices of these things, and knowing the prices of ammo
I buy ammo in very large quantaties direct from the factories , every few years .
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Shadow Man
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*sigh* Okay, thank you for answering one question, and giving an answer to a non-question...but you still didn't tell me how hot the BCG was after 300 rounds, or how badly it was stringing...
Shadow Man
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And the shots were stringing how high from the POA?
Wanta B
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Nice DSA...Tho' I have found that stock prone to fail. My life has,does and will depend on my FAL's.Many of them older than I am. I am very confident in them. I do however have a DSA Para Elite custom ordered very similar to the one in your picture that hits 18" low at 30 yards!!! I do not even touch it.Total POS
Some day I will look into fixing it.
Some day I will look into fixing it.
MatthewVanitas
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Is it just me, or does it seem that the XCR is the closest thing we can get to a .223 FAL (not counting full-size FALs rechambered to .223, or the nigh-unobtainable FNC)?
If I were looking for any .223 other than a bullpup I think I'd go XCR, but I'm about to pick up an MSAR AUG-type rifle. I understand the XCRs go SBR quite well (which a bullpup "does" by nature). However, I also understand the XCR takes a suppressor well, which unfortunately AUGs do not...
Wanta B
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Regretably I have as yet very little time on any XCR's. Acouple of freinds back in the states have them but I have not fired them much. Quite nice but do need some refinements. I do agree with you MathewVanitas...they are quite FALic...in a good way.
surfinUSA
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Damnn!!!, Agent, judging from those pictures, its obvious you one BAD mo-fo that would easily put Shaft, Dirty Harry and Jackie Chan to shame for dissin you.
So whats the real story? Are you really one of our nation's most top secret and heavily armed operators for an agency with no name (or even initials) or just a guy with a specialy gun shop (or has a friend with one).
The XCR may be a fine gun but I'll never know because I'll never buy one. The company the builds them doesn't exactly have a reputation for standing behind their products especially its m96 Stoner look alike.
Of course as much as I like FN products I won't be spending a ton of money to buy a SCAR (light or Heavy) like I said in my previous post the AR and FAL are both well proven and work just fine for me. Of course I'm also a person that only has one hunting rifle (just an old 30-06).
So whats the real story? Are you really one of our nation's most top secret and heavily armed operators for an agency with no name (or even initials) or just a guy with a specialy gun shop (or has a friend with one).
The XCR may be a fine gun but I'll never know because I'll never buy one. The company the builds them doesn't exactly have a reputation for standing behind their products especially its m96 Stoner look alike.
Of course as much as I like FN products I won't be spending a ton of money to buy a SCAR (light or Heavy) like I said in my previous post the AR and FAL are both well proven and work just fine for me. Of course I'm also a person that only has one hunting rifle (just an old 30-06).
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as37692
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I don’t really care that much about the XCR (I like My good old M4) but I just have to ask. Why does a person with the money to own that many high-end firearms, not own a quality gun-safe to keep them all in?
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Wanta B
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JUST AN OLD 30-06....LOL...And only ONE!!!!
SpeedAKL
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It looks like a really neat gun. I was attracted to a SIG 556 or FS2000, but XCR strikes me as offering many of the SCAR's features for a price comparable to the SIG. I'd like one eventually.
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