This is back? "US Guns Litter 90% of Mexican Crime Scenes"

[Onmilo]

Guns go into Mexico from the U.S., there is no doubt about that fact.

Grenades, high explosives, launchers, etc. are coming from China,, eastern Europe, and South America as are select fire AKM and other assault rifles.

Ammunition is brought in from U.S. and South American sources, apparently it is easier to smuggle shotgun shells from South America than the U.S. because the weight of the shells gives away small vehicles that smuggle them in from the US.
Three cases of buckshot is a lot of weight for 750 rounds while 1000 rounds of .223 or 7.62X39 can be slipped in pretty easy.

There is coruption at every level and on all sides.

Everybody wants to complain that U.S. guns are the major cause of problems in Mexico,
Well, I want to say that Mexican drugs are a major cause of domestic problems here, gangs, murders, disrupted communities, shattered families.

Mexico needs to clean up their own house before they start wagging the finger at the US,
Everything that goes down in the world is NOT our fault.

 

[Fishslayer]

Gun ownership is illegal in Mexico. I call BS. These crimes are happening somewhere else...

 

[doubleh]

I just read basically the same thing in today's newspaper. The column by a very liberal Kansas City based writer who makes our paper about every six months. She stated that most guns used in crime in Mexico are purchased in the US. No references to hard data to support her statement at all. You are just supposed to believe her because she said so. I am sure some guns make their way into Mexico from here. Hell, if there's a market someone will find a way to try to supply it. Automatic weapons from the US? Very few if any compared to the ones from other countries is my guess.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

You are supposed to believe her because the "Mexican crime guns are purchased in the US" justifies her position on re-instating the AWB.

 

[Hatterasguy]

Its smoke, and half truths. 95%+ of the guns they confiscate have no serial numbers so they were never in this country and can't get traced. Of the ones with serial numbers most can be traced back to this country.

But also what they forget to mention is that a lot of the weapons with serial numbers were originally sold to the Mexican government from our government and than stolen.

Realistically probably only 2%-3% of guns in use in Mexico were bought in the states legally, and those numbers might be high.

The straw purchase argument is downright silly. These cartels are multi billion dollar operations, they have no need or desire to purchase a couple semi auto rifles at a gun store in the US and smuggle it across the border. They buy from international arms dealers, and the kind of stuff we can't get here; RPG's, M203's, full auto new production AK's and AR's, M249's etc. Last I heard most of their weapons come from Central America, South Korea, and France/Spain.

 

[Erik M]

Those silly mexicans and thier American made AK47's.

 

[tipoc]

Some good points made in this thread...

The statistics cited by the Mayors are deliberately misleading. It's important to call them on it. Both liberal and conservative politicians know that they don't have to tell us the truth at all. All they have to do is tell a lie over and over again loudly enough and enough people will believe them that they can get what they want. Later they can apologize for having been "misled" by bad advisers.

The cartels are not getting the bulk of their guns from gun stores and shows in the U.S. Instead the guns are being purchased on the international arms market, some are funneled to them from officers in the Mexican military, some are smuggled in across Mexico's eastern, western and southern borders, etc.

The drug business is a global one. So is the gun smuggling one.

It's true though that some guns are being straw purchased in the U.S. and find their way into Mexico or Guatemala, etc. This is often done by everyday working people looking for a self defense weapon. Personally I have no problem with this. It also makes no sense to deny this occurs. It does. It's also small change.

tipoc

 

[Carl N. Brown]

I read an article by an American who worked in Mexico. Illegal gun possession by ordinary Mexican citizens (many of them educated professionals) is rampant, due to kidnapping for ransom by Mexican gangsters and the lack of police protection or corrupt police. That is probably where a large number of civilian guns smuggled north to south are going. Kinda like NYC with an estimated ~2 million illegal handguns in a populationb of 9 million: highest rate of handgun ownership in the US, despite or because of a defacto gun ban.

 

[stchman]

Drugs being legalized, HAH, too many old fogies thinking that if drugs were legal that EVERYONE would be a drug addict zombie.

I like the people that think smoking a joint is evil when it is OK to go out and get bombed on a case of beer or bottle of whiskey.

Any rate, I like how the Mexicans state that all the full auto AK-47s are bought at American gun shows. I think I have seen one or two full auto AKs at a gun show. They had HUGE price tags on them, so I can't see someone buying them and shipping it down to Mexico.

 

[craneman]

I know for a fact that where I live, the majority of folks are very uneducated when it comes to guns, gun ownership, gun laws. Even my lovely wife, who has been around my shooting habit for 24 yrs., asked me "is that a machine gun?" when I brought home my first AR-15. I even had to educate her....And she likes and accepts guns. She thinks they are a good thing. Liberal anti's run rampant here. The "sheeple" are led around by these very misleading reports that are on the front line media almost daily. It does effect voting, I am fully convinced of that. There has to be a way that the proper statistics, and FULLY informed reports are handed out by the media. Why can't they be held liable for wrong and misleading content? There has to be a way to combat this. There has to be some accountability. How can people just spew vast amounts of half-truths, twisted statistics, and pass off their opinion as fact? Where the hell is the integrity? Where is the accountability? What has happened to our society that there seems to be no accountability? This crap has got to stop.:banghead:

If I had 1 wish right now. I think I would wish for just plain old simple news reporting. All the facts, and JUST the facts. Let the common man think about it and decide. We are not that dumb of a society. I guess its like the old saying goes, " you can wish in one hand and **** in the other, and see where that gets ya".

 

[happygeek]

Even if it is 'just the facts', it's still a tad biased. No newspaper has enough physical space in it to show every single news event that happened on the globe yesterday. Then you get into the million dollar question "what counts as news?". For example, is a Pastor with a 50 member congregation in FL threatening to torch a book news? Depends on who you ask.

My point being that news outlets exert influence on people's perception merely by what they choose to print [or show in the case of TV news], even when it's 'just the facts'.

 

[Shadow 7D]

And the 'facts' are pretty skewed, hell they had to take the numbers back, and there was a link somewhere to a press release where the actual percentages were explained, BAFTE was pretty quick to point out the Mexicans only ask for traces on guns they are sure came from the US, probably trying to figure out which military or police unit sold them to the Narcos.

 

[Diggers]

Blaa Blaa Blaa, YES some guns come from US gun shops. People have been caught with them going across the boarder.

Its not like all the people in the drug trade down there are totally organized and just stop by the cartel gun locker to pick up their weapons for the day.

They make due however they can, sometimes that means buying guns in the U.S.

I am guessing the speed of getting their hands of the guns matters more than where they come from and cost.

The really stupid part is when people try to lay blame onto the US for gun violence in Mexico.

These people have a ton of money to get what they want. They will get guns period. US, China, Africa, what difference does it make?...... they will get them.

 

[jh9x18ky]

Does Mexico maufacture weapons ??? If not, I assume ALL firearms come from other countries... Correct ? Its not always the numbers, its how you look at them. If you can make people ask the wrong questions, who cares how they answer.

 

[Onmilo]

Mexico license produces firearms based on the H&K systems, i.e. G3, G36, MG21&23, grenade launcher, and they were producing P7M13 pistols but I do believe that stopped and they are buying guns from FN Belgium now.
Mexican Police and Military also use Mexican made copies of the Mossberg 500 shotgun.
U.S. provides military aid support packages that include several variations of Colt M16 type rifles and the Mexicans still buy .38 and or .357 Smith and Wesson revolvers.

There is no production of commercial firearms in Mexico for domestic consumption that I am aware of, only Military/Police.

 

[wishin]

It's strange that our northern neighbor doesn't have the gun related violence that Mexico has! Maybe not so strange..............

 

[skoro]

I'm not too far from the border. None of the gunshops I've ever been to sell machine guns and grenades.

Of course, it would look bad for the Mexican govt to admit that those machine guns and grenades came from Mexican Army armories.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

OK I'm going to say that the vast majority of local crimes do not involve guns and I suspect it is probably true of Mexico. The majority of crime does not involve guns, despite the obsession of gun haters with guns and crime to the exclusion of everything else.

Of the minority of Mexican gun involved crime scenes, the gun criminals are not likely to leave their guns behind (our gun criminals are not litterers, why should theirs be?) and statistically of Mexican crime guns maybe one of five or six will be of US origin.

So "US Guns Litter 90% of Mexican Crime Scenes" is statistically improbable.

Which is the level of statistics to expect from Bloomberg, Daley, Fenty and the other MAIG mayors for making all guns illegal.

 

[rainbowbob]

Here is some more BS from my news-rag this morning. It is written by some do-good meddler named Ted Lewis:

This fall, Californians may pass a ballot measure to end marijuana prohibition...but irrespective of California's choice, it is our federal drug and gun policies that must evolve to aid Mexicans fighting to preserve the soul of their country.

Mexicans often ask why the U.S. doesn't ban the assault weapons that can still be legally purchased on our side of the border. The lamentable answer: powerful gun lobbyists successfully defend the legal sale of "single-shot" assault rifles even as they are routinely smuggled into Mexico where a simple tweak renders them fully automatic and ready to fire hundreds of rounds per minute in the hands of drug-cartel assassins.

Eighty percent of the 75,000 guns Mexican authorities seized from criminals during the past three years came from the U.S. This fact underscores the need to reclassify control of gun sales along our frontier as a matter of national security.

Putting the squeeze on the pipeline of money and weapons that feed Mexico's inferno would be the best Independence gift we could give Mexico. It would help more than any amount of guns, money, training and electronic spy data we might provide to Mexico's unreliable Army and police.

Ted Lewis directs the Mexico Program of Global Exchange. He has organized elections and human-rights observation there since 1994.

Does it really only require a "simple tweak" to make a sport rifle "fully automatic and ready to fire hundreds of rounds per minute"?

Here is an amusing account that would suggest otherwise:
http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2613&st=0&p=20270&#entry20270

Note also the writer states that "...eighty percent of the 75,000 guns..." come from the U.S. - and then refers to those numbers as "...this fact..."

I don't know about your local paper - but mine will print virtually ANYTHING about guns that is negative with whatever "facts" the author chooses to repeat or invent.

Try getting them to publish something with actual facts and reasoned arguments that ISN'T negative...good luck!

 

[Carl N. Brown]

US Department of Justice Office of Inspector General
Review of ATF's Operation Gunrunner

www.justice.gov/oig/reports/ATF/​e1101.pdf

Guns siezed from the drug cartels are Mexican federal evidence and are held by the military; if the ATF wants to run a trace on a gun, the Mexican military requests that ATF submit a request for the individual gun by serial number. Ha. Ha. Ha.

V. Mexican Crime gun tracing
DOJ OIG P.73 "...we found that most crime guns seized in Mexico are not traced...."
DOJ OIG P.75 "...To gain access to the weapons, ATF officials told us that they must make a formal request to the Mexico Attorney General’s office for each gun, (1) citing a specific reason that access is needed, (2) demonstrating that the requested information is related to a Mexican criminal investigation, and (3) providing a description of the gun with the serial number. Yet, if ATF had the gun description and serial number, ATF officials would not need to request access to the gun...."

ATF in Mexican Wonderland!

 

[SharpsDressedMan]

I wonder what percentage of US drug problems are caused by Mexican drugs..............

 

[Mitch from LA]

Yeah...US guns are Mexico's problem. If they could just get that squared away it would be smooth sailing.

 

[sniper5]

Some won't want to hear this, but organized crime in the US found out long ago that it is far easier to use money than muscle. The Mafia owned individuals from local PD all the way up to Federal Judge and politician level. Especially in Mexico it is not easy to "encourage" a customs official or cop to "take a coffee break" at a certain time in exchange for lots of green. If that one isn't interested, there is always another one that is.