This is back? "US Guns Litter 90% of Mexican Crime Scenes"

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I heard the top of the hour news update concerning this topic yesterday. They kinda did get it right, even thought you had to know the rest of the story to catch it. The ABC guy said that most of the guns "submitted for tracing" to the BATFE came from the US. What they did not say is that most of the guns captured are not submitted to the BATFE, because they were not traceable or its was obvious that the did not come from the US. The whole charade is simply politics to attempt to sway public opinion to try to ban guns, or private sales, specific types of " assault" weapons ect...
 
Question: Why would Mexican drug gangs pay thousands of dollars to get unreliable straw purchasers to buy one semi-auto gun at a time when they can buy literal shiploads of full-auto assault rifles from arms dealers all around the world?

Answer: They don't. They order up those shiploads of guns and laugh.

The "90% Fallacy" has been thoroughly debunked before. I suggest everyone write to ABC and point this out. 90% of guns sent to the ATF for tracing come from America...but Mexico doesn't send anything other than guns they reasonably believe come from America. When you have a freakin' Chinese AK-47, or a one year old full auto AR-15, they don't waste the money sending them to be checked, because they clearly didn't come from a legit source in America.
 
The concept of buying full auto weapons at gunshows is just silly. The cartels have plenty of money and there arms dealers all over the world who will sell to anyone with cash. With a phone call, they can get anything they want. If they want 500 weapons, why would they waste their time buying 2 or 3?
The liberal news media will use this false propaganda to paint legal gun ownership in the US and drug wars in Mexico with the same brush. It's nothing new. Remember the news reports about gang wars in US cities back in the 1980's and 90's? It's the samo old B.S. from the same old source. The names have been changed to protect the liars.
 
I've had a conversation with a few Mexican nationals who work legally in town. I asked them about American guns in Mexico and they said that many of their relatives and freinds ask them to bring guns back to Mexico with them when they return.

The guns mostly were not for nefarious reasons, just that the regular civilians want to protect themselves from drug gangs and expecially kidnappers which is a booming buisness in Mexico these days. They said that if family members let on that their father, brother, or cousin is working in America, that the criminal element thinks that they are a prime target for kidnappers since they make good money and mostly send it back home.

Also they belived that America is awash in guns and anyone could buy a machinegun or pistol just about anywhere in America without any problems, background checks, waiting periods, or permits. They also mentioned that gun ownership is severly resricted in Mexico and you had to be well connected or rich to get goverment permission to even buy a gun from the goverment gunshops.
 
We ( The United States) are a sovereign nation and our Constitutional rights have nothing to do with what is going on down here. Our Constitution trumps their corruption and lawlessness. I would ask where their (Mexican) corrupt Police and Politicians come from?
I live "down here"......we (far and away the majority) of ranch owners and business people have a deep rooted bond with the Mexican and Hispanic culture. We celebrate our "Texican" culture here.
What you see in Mexico today is just flat out greedy Mexican politicians and corrupt Mexican law enforcement. The Mexican people and us living here in South Texas are held hostage by these low life scum sucking drug dealing murdering pigs.
Any US politician or US anti-gun mouthpiece that strays from these facts and starts trying to posture any other agenda, outside of wiping out the corrupt Mexican politicians and drug gangs, is just helping the drug dealers and corrupt Mexicans.
Our response should be invasion of Mexico to restore law and peace.
 
Mayors Agains Illegal Guns = Mayors For Making Guns Illegal (Chicago, NYC, DC, etc)

Carrie Nation Temperance Society: US beer bottles litter Mexican crime scenes, blah blah.

Of the 20% of Mexican crime guns that appear to be of US origin, 90% of the 20% or (17 to 18% of the total) trace to US origin, often guns supplied by our gov't to the Mexican gov't, military or police who are in the pockets of the drug cartels.

The real problem is the prospect that part of the 83% of Mexican crime guns--machineguns and grenade launchers from all over the world--are coming across the border with the drugs in the hands of Las Zetas.

MAIG is exploiting the gun connection to promote their agenda: DC or Chicago bans, or NYC de facto Sullivan Act bans, nationwide.

The major US news media have been on an anti-gun crusade since the 1950s, its embedded in the newsroom culture, so consider the source and the advocates.

Civilian guns that do trickle across the border north to south are going to Mexican civilians scared crapless by the drug cartels and inablity of their police to protect them. The drug cartels get military weapons wholesale from foreign countries with a vested interest in destablising the US and Mexico (eg, North Korea.)
 
I've had a conversation with a few Mexican nationals who work legally in town. I asked them about American guns in Mexico and they said that many of their relatives and freinds ask them to bring guns back to Mexico with them when they return.

The guns mostly were not for nefarious reasons, just that the regular civilians want to protect themselves from drug gangs and expecially kidnappers which is a booming buisness in Mexico these days. They said that if family members let on that their father, brother, or cousin is working in America, that the criminal element thinks that they are a prime target for kidnappers since they make good money and mostly send it back home.

Also they belived that America is awash in guns and anyone could buy a machinegun or pistol just about anywhere in America without any problems, background checks, waiting periods, or permits. They also mentioned that gun ownership is severly resricted in Mexico and you had to be well connected or rich to get goverment permission to even buy a gun from the goverment gunshops.
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Looks to me like the law gets broken no matter which way they go across the border.
 
Seems like they should build a fence along the border to protect the Mexican people from us evil Americans, stop the drug trade to keep criminals from being able to buy guns, stop the illegal immigrant trade to prevent the criminals from buying guns. Stop letting shipping trucks from Mexico into America to stop criminals from buying guns(drug smuggling, human traffic smuggling, gun smuggling[criminals smuggling guns into the U.S). Search every vehicle going into or out of Mexico on the U.S. border, yeah it'll slow things down to a standstill and Americans won't want to drive across the border for vacations but think of the children's lives we are saving by preventing evil guns from getting into the country.

Seems like the Mexican people have a gripe with their government, that gripe is not our problem and shouldn't effect our 2nd Amendment rights. Should the country collapse under its own fault then we ought to sweep in and add another fifty states to the union and give the law abiding innocent civilians of Mexico their 2nd Amendment rights, ought to calm those drug dealers down some.
 
Does Mexico make any guns?
I thought the preponderance of weapons were stolen from the Mexican police and military. Granted, they received them from the USA.
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Which makes the US Government the major supplier of guns to the drug cartels.
 
I don't have any problems with mexicans killing other mexicans with US guns. This just tells me that mexico needs to maintain a little tighter control of their borders.
 
Do they really believe the American people believe the weapons came from gun shows when they show hand-grenades, grenade launchers and other heavy weaponry?

If the American people believe this we are all doomed.
 
Gulf Mafia is presently in control of Matamoras, Mexico.

Zetas are the really bad guys. It is a relative statement. Head of security of Zetas is an X highly trained Mexican Major. He has been with Zetas over 12 years. He was offered $10,000 a month to go to work for the Zetas; dunno what a Mexican Major made 12 years ago but is was some small fraction of $10,000 for a whole year.

There are guns in Mexico owned by those who can afford them. Unfortunately most are illegal because legal ownership is difficult or impossible for most citizens.

I have been surprised at how many Police are also Mafia. Only what I have been told.

We in the states do not get the nitty gritty news out of Mexico yet you can speak with the locals and they always seem to know when to be in their house by a certain time for there is going to be some bad stuff go down..Incidentally no Castle Law for Mexicans. Bad guys have guns, poor people do not.

If you worked driving a bus and making $20 a week and had to pay Zetas extortion of $5 a week would you be happy? If you "No pay" you and maybe a few family members are disposed of.

You sell real estate as a registered broker and make $300 on a sale; You pay Zetas 50%. Zetas not only do the drug thing but shake down/extort the locals.

Zetas were wiped out/lost control almost three months ago in Matamoras by the Gulf guys. The population breathed a sigh of relief.

Zetas plan on coming back and taking over by the end of September or October or so rumor says. It will make the news for there is going to be some major stuff happen.

There are no easy answers for their situation nor ours when corruption runs deeply in the thread of a society..

If someone/pedestrian in the states turned over info about people places and things going on in Mexico they would be terminated very quickly if proven and found to be a thorn in the side of the Bad Guys.

There are bounties on Border Patrol guards and Sheriffs as we speak.

I do not know how many of the bad guys are American citizens and move freely between the two countries but the Mexican Mafia is alive and well in the States; or so I have been told.

I have to wonder how much we have spent on the drug war and are spending today. It looks like we are not winning on many fronts. It is a horribly bad deal for everyone concerned.

I have friends in the Mexican Military one of which is a new recruit. Three months ago a group of trainees were out for a night on the town. Mafia found out and killed many of them by hit and spray method..

Didn't make a paper here in the states and I am not sure it was even published in a Mexican paper? Kinda hurts recruitment....
 
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Do they really believe the American people believe the weapons came from gun shows when they show hand-grenades, grenade launchers and other heavy weaponry?
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They clearly do believe we will accept this crap -- which shows the arrogance the left has toward the common, ordinary American citizen.
 
Why blame the guns, they didn't do anything wrong.

Isn't it the person/thug using the gun to blame, regardless of where it came from?

Pointless comment, I know.
 
 
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Anecdotal evidence that the cartels are looking to buy piecemeal. I remember another recent Rio Grande Valley case where two or three people were paid some pittance ($50?) per gun they purchased.
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How do we know if this is the Cartels and not Mexicans attempting to protect their homes? These are illegal operations making millions of dollars a year; these guys most likely buy their weapons wholesale from arms dealers.
 
It's a play on words.

90% of the guns traced from Mexican crime scenes.

What if they can only trace 10 gun out of 100. 9 of those guns are from the US. Lest we not forget the other 91 guns that are deemed untraceable. Now the total % of guns used in Mexican crimes is 9%.
 
If Mexican crime is like local crime, guns are involved in some way in maybe one out of five, or even less. Not all crime involves guns quite frankly, either here or in Mexico.

In Mexican crime involving guns, the US guns are maybe 18% (90% of 20%) of the gun crimes.

Given non-gun crimes as a majority of assaults, rapes or robberies, "US Guns Litter 90% of Mexican Crime Scenes" is a little exaggerated.
 
Stop the drug use in the USA and they'd be no need for drug cartels smuggling anything into the States and no need for guns going south of the border. Our citizens are buying the drugs, the Mexicans are providing the product, and the guns are just the cost of doing business. Our tolerance of drug use is the root of all this trouble. As long as there's a market for drugs in the US, they'll be someone to fill the order, and the violence goes along with it. In the end, the guns get all the attention from the press, the drug users get ignored, and we as gun owners see more pressure put on our 2nd Amendment rights.
 
Naw the issue is money, don't stop it, rather just make it as illegal as cigarettes and alcohol, that stops the flow south, Use the 'sin' taxes for some property tax relief, or pay off the national debt a decade or two early..

so gun related, if we spent the money in america, then those nasty mexican people (you know the murders, gangsters etc.) wouldn't have the funds to afford our nice shiny EBR's
 
Stop the drug use in the USA and they'd be no need for drug cartels smuggling anything into the States and no need for guns going south of the border. Our citizens are buying the drugs, the Mexicans are providing the product, and the guns are just the cost of doing business. Our tolerance of drug use is the root of all this trouble. As long as there's a market for drugs in the US, they'll be someone to fill the order, and the violence goes along with it. In the end, the guns get all the attention from the press, the drug users get ignored, and we as gun owners see more pressure put on our 2nd Amendment rights
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Well you almost have it. Illegal drug use by Americans is the main cause of the the violence along our border. But your solution is backwards. Cracking down on drug use is not going to eliminate the problem. In case you forgot drugs are already illegal. There are stiff penalties for use and for distribution for pretty much all drugs except marijuana. and what good has it done? People still use drugs. Banning alcohol use didn't work and banning drugs doesn't work. If you truly want to eliminate the drug cartels and eliminate the violence associated with an extremely lucrative black market business, then legalizing drugs is the only solution. If drug use and production were legal than American companies would be able to produce and distribute them at far less cost the the drug cartels in Mexico.
 
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