Those who want to own guns should join the military. Civilians shouldn't own guns.

[geekWithA.45]

There is no right to have access to the weapons of war in the streets of America.

For those who want to wield those weapons, we have a place for them. It is the U.S. military. And we welcome them.

John Kerry: Senat Speech re: AWB renewal

 

[mljdeckard]

Which is sicker? Leaders who wish to restrict rights, or leaders who think that the only reason people join the military is so they can shoot machine guns?

Those who come from gun culture into the military have a rude awakening. Not only are you no longer allowed to exercise rights that everyone else is, you have become a child. (They treat everyone like the stupidest person in the army.) In addition to which, never handling live ammo, and training with blank-adapted rifles creates a culture in which people ignore safety rules, and then when they deploy to actual war, they have FAR too frequent accidents.

The biggest problem I have is REGISTRATION. I am on a temporary deployment to Monterey/Former Ft. Ord, and I left mine home. Why? Not just because of CA's unacceptable gun laws, but because even though I live in privatized housing, I have to register my guns with the local post PD. NOT gonna happen.

 

[Crunker1337]

What if you don't like military guns?
What if you want to use them at times other than your commanding officer's beck and call?

 

[Im283]

What about old farts like me?
I became a gun nut for the most part after becoming to old for the military.
Maybe they will start a Seniors tour like in golf.

 

[Frandy]

Hey, if ya' like using pens, become a journalist. Civilians don't need pens.

Hey, if ya' like cars, join NASCAR. Civilians don't need cars.

Hey. if ya' like utensils, become a professional chef. Civilians don't need utensils.

 

[armed85]

mljdeckard, your words are very true. I think it's worse in the Air Force than it is in the Army. However, it might not be.

We don't have to register our guns if they're off base. Only when they're on base must they be registered.

I live in barracks, but I rent storage space off base for around $50 and store my guns there. To not deal with the hassle is worth four times that amount.

It's not just gun ownership where they treat you like children. We had a foolish person fall out of a troop door on a C130 while it was being towed (less than 5 MPH) and hurt himself. Now we have to close both troop doors when we tow.

We had an Airman decide to not go to his unit after taking a class. The Airman's excuse was that "No one told me where to go after class." Hundreds of Airmen knew to go back to their unit. Now a Staff Sergeant (E-5) or above must escort Airmen from this class.

Examples of being treated like a child are endless.

 

[BADUNAME13]

What if you don't like military guns?
What if you want to use them at times other than your commanding officer's beck and call?

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SO?

 

[crazed_ss]

mljdeckard, your words are very true. I think it's worse in the Air Force than it is in the Army. However, it might not be.

We don't have to register our guns if they're off base. Only when they're on base must they be registered.

I live in barracks, but I rent storage space off base for around $50 and store my guns there. To not deal with the hassle is worth four times that amount.

It's not just gun ownership where they treat you like children. We had a foolish person fall out of a troop door on a C130 while it was being towed (less than 5 MPH) and hurt himself. Now we have to close both troop doors when we tow.

We had an Airman decide to not go to his unit after taking a class. The Airman's excuse was that "No one told me where to go after class." Hundreds of Airmen knew to go back to their unit. Now a Staff Sergeant (E-5) or above must escort Airmen from this class.

Examples of being treated like a child are endless

Are you suprised by this?

As a Soldier, Marine, Sailor, Airman you are an ASSET. You are an asset like a M1 Tank or F-15. So obviously, it's in the military's best interest to keep their assets as safe as possible, until it's time for them to go into harm's way and do what they were trained to.

That's why you cant have guns in the barracks. Prohibiting guns in the barracks removes the potential that someone might do something wrong with a gun in the barracks. Ridiculously low speed limits, restrictions on places you can go on liberty, Safety Briefs, etc, etc are all part of the military protecting their investment (which is you)

If you dont like being treated like a child or piece of hardware, do not join the military.. I realize it's a little late for some here

 

[def4pos8]

. . .some of us were in the right spot at the right time to include personally procured weapons (Steyr SSG P2 ) in the unit OPLAN and load lists -- for "foraging purposes" of course. . . .

 

[Navy joe]

3 Statists complied:

"Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State."
Heinrich Himmler

"You like to fire assault weapons? I have a place for you. It's not in the homes and streets of America. It's called the Army, and you can join any time!" Wesley Clark

"There is no right to have access to the weapons of war in the streets of America.
For those who want to wield those weapons, we have a place for them. It is the US military. And we welcome them."
John Kerry, 3/2/2004


I my mind there is only one difference among these three; that being that I wasn't alive to hear Himmler's speech.

 

[obxned]

Cops and Secret Service aren't military. Neither are criminals.

 

[phaed]

actually, it's harder to own weapons in the military than as a civilian. unless we are deployed or doing training (which isn't as common as many would like), most military folks hardly see their issue weapons, especially the non-maneuver guys.

if we live on post, and are below a certain rank, all weapons need be stored in the unit arms room. this makes it a PITA to use them. to bring any on post, they usually have to be cased seperately from the ammo. and all weapons need to be registered with the local provost marshal if you want to ever bring them on post. the regulations make it especially difficult for CCW.

 

[redrover]

Civilians shouldn't own guns eh..................what do you think the second amendment is for..............it's called "tyrany from the state." That's the primary reason for the second amendment. The framers of the bill of rights didn't want the people to face a "tyranical" government, without any way of fighting back. So, of course politicians are going to try and get rid of guns....and I gotta tell you, with the corruption of the executive and legislative branches getting worse by the year...we're getting dam close to tyranical.

 

[Hydra-Shok]

Yup! THat so.

Being a VN Vet, he's correct - Military is kind of an oxymoron. I'll take a military or combat trained civ to watch my six any day.

 

[ConfuseUs]

I sometimes hear people say that civilians shouldn't own guns. If they want to, they should join the military instead of complaining. I'm trying to remember, which politicians or candidates have said that?

Pretty much your garden variety Democrat either has said that or believes that. I think also that Heinrich Himmler said that as well.

As far as joining the military to own guns, let's not forget that the guns that military personnel use are not their personal property to do with as they please so long as it is lawful. They are given guns by the state for the express purpose of destroying anyone or anything the state tells them to. The rest of the time they are doing pushups or scrubbing barracks or training to do whatever the generals tell them to do. As a general rule, the soldiers best able to use the rifles given to them by the military were taught to shoot not by said military, but by their fathers, uncles, grandfathers, scoutmasters, etc.

There is also the issue of what people in a free society may do. The military is not by any stretch of the word "free". You wear what they tell you to wear, go where they tell you to go, eat what they give you to eat, sleep where and when they tell you to sleep, etc. etc. etc. As a member of free society, I wear what I want to wear, eat what and when I want, go wherever I please, and sleep when I want. I also own whatever I want to own and can afford. If that means owning a rifle or 1200 rifles, as a free man I may do so. A soldier in the U.S. military may own a rifle, but usually he or she is required to keep it in the armory, not in his/her quarters. Not me, I keep mine in any place I deem appropriate in my domicile. I can take it out any time I want to as well. I ask no one's permission to do these things.

Also, if politicians don't trust me with a rifle that is only slightly inferior to what the army issues, why do they expect me to trust them with command of the armed forces, let alone command of the nuclear arsenal?

 

[tinygnat219]

Guywithquestions,

The Military has different regulations regarding personal firearms. It depends on whether you stay on base or not. Essentially, one is NOT allowed to carry firearms on base even with a valid state permit because once one is on base, state laws don't apply, federal ones do.

My answer, live off of base, or get out of the military.

General Wesley Clarke said something along these lines. He ran for president last time as a Democrat and lost big time. Check his service record and one can see why he is disliked.

 

[romma]

The Right The People!! (have I heard this somewhere)?

 

[sterling180]

Most Army posts have a Rod and Gun Club. They often have shooting ranges where you can shoot your personal weapon. You can keep your weapon in private quarters if you have them or in the Arms Room if you do not have private quarters. Carrying on post is different at every post and subject to post regulations.

We had a similar setup over here too and gun clubs in the forces are treated no differently,to any other civillian club.How long before they are shut down in the armed forces,though?

I liken the 'gun control' to England.

Not England,the UK.England is one country,that makes up the UK.We as a nation are called the UK and not England,otherwise I will ask the Scottish Labour Party,for our handgun rights back.Perhaps you are confused by England,because that is the Country that heads the UK,but anti-gun legislation was not made entirely by England.

 

[lil ski]

I spent 4 years in the Navy and never had to fire a weapon for the first 3 years so saying join the military to use a gun won’t work. When I was over seas we were allowed to buy guns and bring them back to the states but we had to check them in with the Master at Arms until we got back. One thing I learned from the Navy was Never Again Volunteer Yourself

 

[Josh Aston]

mljdeckard, your words are very true. I think it's worse in the Air Force than it is in the Army. However, it might not be.

Air Force is quite a bit better than the Army. Not all bases require you to register your guns when you live on base. If you live in the dorms, then yes, but I know of a couple that don't make you register them in base housing. And even if they did, there's no way to enforce the rule. As for not carrying concealed on an AF base you'd be taking a gamble. Some Security Forces would flip out, some wouldn't. Some would haul you in, some would ask what kind of gun you were carrying.

 

[Torque]

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