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Thoughts on 45.acp Revolvers

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by CTGunner, Feb 18, 2013.

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  1. Fishslayer

    Fishslayer Member

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    This thread needs a pre-26 Model of 1950 Target. This one is a '52 vintage.

    I don't believe there are any cons to a .45ACP wheelgun. The con of this one is that I've been lusting after a suitable 1955 Target for a safemate since I got it.:rolleyes:

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    Got ammo? IMO mooning/demooning ain't no thang. ;)

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  2. wkuban

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    625JM, funnest gun I own. I think I need a model 22 and a 25.
     
  3. StrawHat

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    S&Wfan, you and I were thinking along the same lines, I was able to get my barrel reworked so it is a skiiny 4" barrel. Great revolver!

    The stag grips and filler look good. Maybe I need to change mine.
     
  4. kBob

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    Gordon,

    That Colt is beautiful! I grumble to this day over letting my Dad talk me out of buying a US Post Office when I was in college. I had visions of "Fitz Specials" when I saw it already bobed adn front sightless. But it was not to be.
    Sigh.

    Big Plus to all on the Ruger Blackhawk Pervertables in .45 ACP and S&W 1917s, I like them a bunch.

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  5. skoro

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    I'm real fond of my old S&W M1917. Load the moonclips before going to the range and you're in a for a good time. :)
     
  6. Billy Shears

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    Sorry I can't post pictures (no way to host them), but I've got a Bubba'd S&W 1917 that I use as a house gun. I picked it up dirt cheap, since it had been altered. The barrel has been cut down to 3 1/2 inches, and the front sight base from a sporting rifle installed, which was actually pretty clever, since it covers the chopped off roll marked text on the top of the barrel. The downside is that this necessitated the rear sight being raised, and Bubba accomplished this by welding a flat, notched piece of steel in place on the rear of the frame. What I can't figure is that, since all the modifications on this piece seemed clearly intended to produce a compact, carry gun, Bubba chose to install a hooked target sight on the front, guaranteed to catch clothing on a draw. (I only use this as a house gun, where it's not much of handicap, but I mean to change this out.) Finally, Bubba removed the lanyard ring, and ground off the slight flare at the heel of the grip. That's bad enough, but what he did next truly hurts me in my soul. He installed a non-original set of factory target stocks, cut off the bottom, so it would be flush with the frame, and sanded away the flare at the heel, so it would fit flush with the now ground down frame. But these weren't just any S&W target grips, these were coke bottle grips! :eek::what::banghead::cuss::fire:

    Those things, unaltered, would be worth almost the price of a brand new S&W bodyguard revolver today. If I knew who was responsible for these modifications, I would have his kneecaps broken.

    But, it was in this condition that I found the gun, and as the price was less than $100, I picked it up. It functions well. Despite the shortened barrel and frame, and (once the sight's replaced), it's suitability as a carry gun, I won't carry it. I prefer autos for carry, and the one thing about the .45ACP revolver that bothers me as a carry gun is the moon clips. They are thin sheet metal, and liable to be bent when carried. If that happens, they can tie up the cylinder rotation.
     
  7. StrawHat

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    Billy Shears, I have been carrying full moon clips for nearly thiry years. Never bent one yet while carrying. I have bent them when they were empty and I stepped on them.
     
  8. SharpsDressedMan

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    So, are you saying that they CAN'T get bent, won't ever get bent, or your experience is unique, and they COULD get bent and rendered unserviceable at the most inopportune moment? I'm glad yours never got bent. I have had one get SLIGHTLY bent while in a pocket, and when loaded, the cylinder would not turn. Had to set that one aside until I could flatten it. They now make nice carriers that would probably keep them protected.
     
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  9. StrawHat

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    Anything can happen, I was merely relating my experience. Others may not have been so fortunate. I have repaired three revolvers where the owner had somehow bent the barrel. For some, that is not an issue, but obviously for those three fellows it was a problem. It just isn't a common problem.
     
  10. oldcelt

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    Way back about 1960 I bought a S&W mod 1955 and still have it, Its' a very fine gun and I intend to keep it in spite of the offers I get. I paid the outrageous sum of $55.00. Should have bought a dozen.
     
  11. SaxonPig

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    Well, honestly (I get into trouble because a lot of people don't really desire or appreciate honesty) the 45 ACP in a revolver isn't the greatest think since sliced bread. Now, if the guns were scaled down in size to match the stubby ammo, it might be a different story. But they are always large frame revolvers with cylinders way too long making the gun big and heavy for the power output.

    Now, having said that, I confess to having a couple of these fairly useless things.


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    The only thing that most guys find really handy about the 45 ACP wheelguns is the ability to use moon clips for very fast reloading. But from a ballistic standpoint, the 45 Colt makes far more sense in a revolver.


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    Saxon Pig, I reload for both the ACP and the long Colt in N frames. When handloading, the ballistics are pretty close.
     
  13. Vern Humphrey

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    My favorite .45 Colt load drives a 255 grain cast bullet to around 1,000 fps. No way I'd try that in any of my .45 ACP automatics.
     
  14. StrawHat

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    Vern, I agree, no way for a self loader. But in an N frame, no problem.
     
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    I guess another picture won't hurt...

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    ...and a sharp eye will reveal this one is not exactly 'factory'.
     
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    I am having a hard time believing this...
     
  17. rcmodel

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    Why?

    SAAMI standard pressure for the .45 Colt is 14,000 PSI.
    It is 23,000 for the .45 ACP +P.

    In a S&W N-Frame revolver, both calibers are limited to about 23,000 PSI.

    SO, either one can be loaded to the same pressure, and nearly the same velocity.

    Yes, you can't do it in a 1911 pistol.
    But you can't shoot .45 Colt in a 1911 pistol.

    Older Speer data shows Max loads as follows:
    .45 Colt in a Colt SAA.
    240 grain LSWC = 822 FPS.

    Same bullet in a .45 AR case in a 1950 S&W Target = 1,192 FPS.

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  18. huntershooter

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    Smith & Wesson for me.
    I have a 25-2 (S-prefix) and a MIM lock mod. 22. Both are shooters and have had no issues with either (after slicking up the MIM gun).


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  19. SaxonPig

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    Loading your own can bring the ACP close to the Colt, but not quite equal. Still the problem with too much gun for the cartridge.

    I'm not saying the 45 ACP revolvers are bad, note that I two of them, but I understand their limitations and recognize that they are not anything mystical.
     
  20. Jaymo

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    I think they're absolutely useless, so you should all send yours to me for proper disposal. :D
    My 2011 Ruger Blackhawk .45 Convertible is my first .45 ACP revolver.
    One thing I like about it, is I can load it with a round ball and a tiny powder charge, for cheap plinking.
    That, and, it's chambered for .45 Colt AND .45 ACP. What's not to like about that?
     
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    WOW!!!
    This thread has some of the classiest wheelguns I have EVER seen....

    beautiful........:)
     
  22. Ak.Hiker

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    I have had a S&W 1955 Target revolver since the 60's. It is still my number one house gun loaded with Hornady 230 grain +P. Back in the day I kept it loaded with hardball as that was all we could get. Then Super Vel came out with their 190 grain JHP. A 250 grain hardcast AR loaded to 950 is a darn good woods walking load as well. A also have a 4 5/8 inch Ruger convertable. I like the fact that I can run any load from light ACP target loads right on up to a 325 grain heavy 45 Colt hardcast. At 36 ounces carried in a Simply Rugged Pancake holster the Ruger is hard to beat as a hiking gun.
     
  23. Fishslayer

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    One COULD just go ahead & drop the Big One!:eek:

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  24. 627PCFan

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    My shooting buddy just got himself a 625 PC. Thowing impartiality out the door, I would never trade my 627PC for it. The fit and finish out of the last 2 Smiths I have handled, a 610 for my fathers bday gift and the 625 both left alot to be desired. Neither were polished. The 610 I got what I expected, but the 625 has a heavy pull for a PC gun. Smooth but questionably heavy. Maybe it has differnt geometry than a 27? The 625 is more accurate than either of us can shoot.
     
  25. SwampWolf

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    Maybe not for you, but when used in the venue it was intended for, some of my very best scores shot in the .45 phase in Bullseye matches were done with my big Model 1955 Target revolver, with its magical trigger pull and fine sights. Mystical for me, indeed.
     
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