smokin'n gun
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Any thoughts on the H and K esp. the USP? Thanks. 
Thoughts on H and K's?
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Ala Dan
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I owned a full size H&K USP in .45ACP for awhile; and it was a great piece,
with one exception. I found it too be larger than my .45 caliber SIG-SAUER
P220A. Therefore, I got rid of it and returned to my all time favorite; the
P220A.
with one exception. I found it too be larger than my .45 caliber SIG-SAUER
P220A. Therefore, I got rid of it and returned to my all time favorite; the
P220A.
SouthpawShootr
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They're nice guns, but terribly overpirced. The USP line, in my experience, is satisfactory with respect to reliability and accuracy. No better than Glock, but they're priced almost $300 more than than like chambered Glock models. The full size line seems to be way oversized for their chamberings. I'd love to have one of the P2000 with the LEM trigger, but the best price I can find is $850 out the door so it may be a while before I can save it up.
Huge in dimensions, heavy, overpriced, lots of bits, pieces, pins, and springs inside, and middlin to poor ergonomics -- and it comes with the famous H&K superiority "take-it-or-leave-it" attitude that H&K has towards non-LEO customers, i.e., the public. Had a used one that I bought in a moment of weakness and regretted it soon after; something I rarely do with a gun purchase. Let my heart make the purchase, not my head; after all it was and H&K for Pete's sake!
IMO, the SIG 220 is everything the H&K should be, but H&K just had to go "bigger" and they blew it.
Sort of comparing a Jeep Cherokee Classic to the full-size Hummer H1.
Gimme the Jeep, gimme the SIG.
Noah
IMO, the SIG 220 is everything the H&K should be, but H&K just had to go "bigger" and they blew it.
Sort of comparing a Jeep Cherokee Classic to the full-size Hummer H1.
Gimme the Jeep, gimme the SIG.
Noah
Have had one since they first came out and had had zero problems with it (.40). Performed admirably at a weeklong Thunder ranch stint without a hiccup. frame is a bit large for some, especially in the .45 models. DA trigger isn't great but just takes getting used to. SA is quite nice. Very accuarte. Was the first of what's currently 3 HK handguns with another coming quite soon (either a P2000sk or a Elite)
Dollar An Hour
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Good, but overpriced, polymer.
Sig Pro polymer on the other hand, is a bargain. Check 'em out.
Sig Pro polymer on the other hand, is a bargain. Check 'em out.
phantomak47
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Over Priced ....the Frame cant cost more than $5.00 to make....
Black Majik
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Only thing I really like about the USPs is the capability of decock or Condition 1 carry, or decocked and safetied carry.
XLMiguel
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I have two USP/C's in 9mm & .45 (both V1). Like 'em a lot. Just wish the .45 had a higher capacity. Thoroughly reliable, eats everything, accurate, and the ergonomics work fine for me. They are a bit blocky, but either conceals OK and they're relatively light. They are expensive if you pay anything close to list, but I shop hard . . .
Smokin';
I've had a USPc .40 for years. It's my everyday carry gun. Zero problems with it. I had H&K do the ambi control retro-fit, & the work was done for the money quoted & quickly.
The ergonomics are far superior for me than the Glack. I don't mind having to pay a bit more for better merchandise, & there's no doubt in my mind the H&K is the better gun by far.
900F
I've had a USPc .40 for years. It's my everyday carry gun. Zero problems with it. I had H&K do the ambi control retro-fit, & the work was done for the money quoted & quickly.
The ergonomics are far superior for me than the Glack. I don't mind having to pay a bit more for better merchandise, & there's no doubt in my mind the H&K is the better gun by far.
900F
Sylvilagus Aquaticus
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I'm with Ala Dan. I have shot several, including GWG's (www.geekswithguns.com) USP .45 . It was accurate, but it sure is big. My P220 is a lot more concealable, not to mention it just feels better in my hand. The upside to the USP is the capacity; the downside, to me, is the feel and size over the P220.
Ever looked at the CZ97B?
Regards,
Rabbit.
Ever looked at the CZ97B?
Regards,
Rabbit.
Love 'em. Own 4: 2 in .45 and 2 in 9mm. My 1 experience with customer service was very good. Those who say that customer service is poor, I think are repeating an old internet rumor. If they fit your hand, you won't want to shoot anything else. That said, I'm becoming more of a 1911 man. But I'll never give up my H&Ks.
Sir Aardvark
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Like almost everyone else has said - they are very expensive!
10-Ring
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Consistently the nicest guns I've owned...I currently have 4 from the USP line & my all time fave my P7M8. Recommend them highly. Yes, there is a premium to ownership, but it is well worth it!
MTMilitiaman
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Noah, the USP is polymer so you can't really call it heavy. My Tactical I think weighed less than 30 oz with an unloaded magazine. This is a good 5 to 10 oz lighter than most 1911s with the possibility of nearly twice the capacity. Also, other than grip size, why are people complaining about ergonomics. The grip angle is similar to the 1911 and the controls are located and operate in a nearly identical fashion.
The USP is a solid peice but it is big and it does cost more than it should. There is no way it gives you $300 more than a Glock.
A lot of people have had very good luck with the HK, but I have not. Mine would fail to completely go into battery even with some ball ammunition so although it was accurate and fit me fine, I never was able to completely trust it as a defense peice, which is what I bought it for. Also, the included 10 round magazines now fail to lock the slide back on a fairly regular basis (about 50% of the time). To say that I would be disappointed with it's performance at half of its $1000 purchase price is a drastic understatement. As soon as I can find the money, I will be sending it in for repairs and then more than likely selling it or trading it towards a Glock 30 or a SIG P220ST.
The USP is a solid peice but it is big and it does cost more than it should. There is no way it gives you $300 more than a Glock.
A lot of people have had very good luck with the HK, but I have not. Mine would fail to completely go into battery even with some ball ammunition so although it was accurate and fit me fine, I never was able to completely trust it as a defense peice, which is what I bought it for. Also, the included 10 round magazines now fail to lock the slide back on a fairly regular basis (about 50% of the time). To say that I would be disappointed with it's performance at half of its $1000 purchase price is a drastic understatement. As soon as I can find the money, I will be sending it in for repairs and then more than likely selling it or trading it towards a Glock 30 or a SIG P220ST.
larry starling
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Crap! Over priced handguns. I had a USP compact in .40 it was unreliable and I had numerous examples of the slide not returning to battery and FTE. I would suggest you avoid and find a more affordable handgun.....
waterhouse
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I never had a problem with my USPc .45. Accurate and reliable gun. I liked the way the SIG 220 felt in my hand so that is the one I kept, but if the USP fits your hand well I think they are great guns. I did like the ability to carry with the hammer back and safety on like my 1911s.
I did just order a Tactical because I got a really good deal on a suppressor and I needed something to put it on.
Also, they get bashed a lot because they are expensive. I got my compact on gunbroker for $500, which is pretty middle of the road as far as my pistols go (most have cost me anywhere from $300 to $800).
I did just order a Tactical because I got a really good deal on a suppressor and I needed something to put it on.
Also, they get bashed a lot because they are expensive. I got my compact on gunbroker for $500, which is pretty middle of the road as far as my pistols go (most have cost me anywhere from $300 to $800).
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