Three Germans....... One of them is sneaky......P30SK

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Zaydok Allen

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Hey gang,

I just thought I'd share a new acquisition I made recently. I's an HK P30SK with night sights and HK's light LEM trigger.

My two concealed carry guns have always been six shooters or less. One is a Ruger SP101 (5 shot) and the other is a SA XDs in 45 acp (6 shots). I lived my life in a way that minimized the potential for criminal threats while I was out and about. I was content I had enough ammo on tap to deal with any bad situation I'd come across. I live in a small town with little violence or crime, though some does spring up from time to time. I avoid cities at night and I think that is a big part of living a safe lifestyle.

Then I met a woman who lives in the city to the north of me and suddenly I find myself in the city more often, and frequently at night. The thing I noticed is that I see groups of clearly intoxicated or drug influenced people in groups of two to four staggering down the streets on a regular basis. I see that as a potential threat so my concern grew. There is definitely racial tension in that town as well. So I found myself wanting more ammo than I was carrying.

After a lot of research, I still feel that 45 acp is a good choice for self defense for it's penetration characteristics, but modern 9mm ammo seems pretty capable as well for a defensive cartridge. So I picked up this........

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The machining seems very precise as I expect from HK. The fit and finish are great. The interchangeable back strap and side panels allow you to fit the gun to your hand pretty well, and for me, the ergos in general are really great. I use the largest side panel on the right side, to fill my hand as well as possible, and the smallest panel on the left, so my fingers curl around as much as possible. My pinky wraps comfortably around the bottom of the magazine and is very comfortable in a one handed or two handed, thumbs forward hold. Your opinion may vary on the ergos. Some folks hate finger grooves and some folks hat the pinky dangle.

The Night sites glow brightly in the dark, and I'm confident I'll be able to pick them up quickly in a dark alley should I need to. It came with three magazines and they hold ten rounds each. In addition I got a pinky extension that increases the capacity to 11, and I'm going to experiment with that. So now I have 11 or 12 rounds on tap as apposed to 5 or 6.

I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet, but that should change this weekend. I'll report back on the experience. This particular version (V1) comes with the LEM trigger which I find I really like. I believe everyone is familiar, but for those who aren't, it has a long but very lite and smooth take up, then there is a very clean break. So it's double action only, but it doesn't have the stiff pull you get on a lot of other DAO guns. It's more like staging the trigger with little to no effort in order to get a single action break. Very smooth. It's my first experience with this trigger type. No external safety.

I own a Beretta, a SA, a few Rugers, a couple S&W's, and have shot Taurus, Glocks, FN's, Walthers, and a few others I've lost track of. HK guns have been very (totally) reliable for me thus far, and I tend to shoot them pretty well. So I thought why not start carrying one?

Here she is next to her older cousins. Sorry for the crappy pictures. I don't have the proper lighting needed to take good photos of totally black pistols, and I had just oiled all of them up, so they are a bit shinier than normal.

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From left to right, we have a P30SK, a VP9, and an HK45.
 

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460Shooter

Nice choice! I currently find myself HK-less, my last one being a USP quite a few years ago. Before that I had a P7 and a P9, both great guns in their own right but not a good ergonomic fit for me. Will be interesting to hear how well your new P30SK does as I like the gun and I'm considering picking one up some time soon.
 
I've enjoyed my P30SK. I replaced the sights with real night sights and I would suggest the same to you. When it sits in the holster, the front sight goes dark.

I had a V3 DA/SA and did not like it at all. I now have the LEM which is far better.
 
I've enjoyed my P30SK. I replaced the sights with real night sights and I would suggest the same to you. When it sits in the holster, the front sight goes dark.

I had a V3 DA/SA and did not like it at all. I now have the LEM which is far better.
It already has real night sites on it as does my VP9.

Only the HK45 has the luminescent sights, and I am thinking about replacing them.
 
The P30SK looks like a perfect carry pistol. The newly offered HK pistols have excellent ergonomics which translates into good handling.
 
I had my own 9mm P30 at the range this afternoon and based upon about 4K rounds downrange so far, I can certainly vouch for the reliability and accuracy of these guns. Mine has the V3 SA/DA trigger, but eventually I'd like to get one of the LEM variants. With practice you will find that you can shoot the "SK" very well with two fingers on the grip. And don't hesitate to fit different backstrap and grip shell combinations to fit the gun to your hand, it might improve the way you shoot the gun. I believe that adding the largest backstrap and gripshells to mine has helped me to shoot mine better :)
 
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The P30SK looks like a perfect carry pistol. The newly offered HK pistols have excellent ergonomics which translates into good handling.
I agree. For folks who like finger grooves, the VP, P30 series, and HK45 are all pretty great options. It's really nice that the P30SK and the VP9 are priced lower as well. For those who don't care for finger grooves, the USP and P2000 lines are available.

I'm not sure if it's perfect for everyone, but it seems to be for me. I'll just have to shoot it to find out. Hopefully in a few hours. It's raining here right now.
 
With practice you will find that you can shoot the "SK" very well with two fingers on the grip. And don't hesitate to fit different backstrap and grip shell combinations to fit the gun to your hand, it might improve the way you shoot the gun. I believe that adding the largest backstrap and gripshells to mine has helped me to shoot mine better :)

Yep, I'm used to shooting my XDs so the two finger grip is second nature to me. My pinky just wraps around the bottom and stays out of the way. The first thing I did was adjust the grip to mirror my VP9. I have larger hands, but skinny fingers, so I like a thicker grip on my guns to fill my hand. The interchangeable back and side panels in the P30 series is great for that. The only wish I have is that they used the old sand paper like stippling, rather than the new style. I feel like it gives me a more stable grasp on the gun. But I know the new style is more durable, and it hasn't been an issue with my VP9.
 
SWEET on getting the P30SK 460Shooter! :cool:

I love mine. Typically I CCW mine with 13 round magazine and X-Grip extender for the P2000SK that works fine as is. It does not add much length to the P30SK and allows me full grip. Bottom picture shows how it compares to P30 grip length. Nice to have option for 10 round magazine if I want deeper concealment.

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Well I just got done slinging 100 rounds of standard pressure 115 gr ammo down range. Then I tossed 50 rounds of AE 124 gr ammo down the tube. And finally 50 rounds of Speer 124 gr +p ammo. Today was about function testing and groupings at only 7 yards for SD purposes.

It performed without a bobble. No malfunctions of any kind. There was little to no difference in POI between the 115 and the 124 grain ammo. All four targets ended up with one raged hole in the center when I shot a bit slower. When I sped it up I had a few flyers land on target but 3-4 inches off center. I'm satisfied with those results since it's the first time I shot the gun, and it's a defensive gun, not a long distance range gun. I have no doubt that those groups will tighten up the more I shoot it. I think I'll stick with the Speers for now, but will try a few more brands and loadings before settling on one.

The LEM trigger is fantastic and easy to run fast. The reset is very positive and easy to detect even when shooting fast. I was able to run the trigger to reset easily and only managed to short stroke it once. The recovery was easy and fast.

It's a real soft shooter and I easily could have doubled my round count today, but the little lady was cold, and her hands were tired from shooting. So we called it a day.

I want to put a few hundred more rounds through it before carrying it. I'm also waiting for my holster to show up, so I have practice time ahead of me.

The bottom line is that it's a sweet shooter and should be a great carry gun for someone looking for a gun this size. HK did good on this one as far as I can tell. But, the gun needs more rounds through it before any final judgement of this particular example can be made.

bannock burn, my advice is take the plunge. I think you'll like the P30SK plenty. I really recommend the LEM version with night sights. If you feel the urge, and have researched the gun, I don't think you'll be disappointed.
 
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So two things that I should share in the interest of full disclosure came up.

I was having a problem with the slide failing to lock back on the last round. This was entirely my fault though. I shoot thumbs forward, and have a bad habit of bumping the slide release upon recoil. The result is obvious. HK does put some big slide release levers on their guns so if you shoot thumbs forward, be advised that you need to crank your thumbs over to the side a bit. It isn't obnoxious or anything, it's just that I need to refine my grip a bit. It isn't the first gun I had an issue with either, so it's all me.

The second issue is an HK problem. When I went to clean the gun I found that the captive recoil spring is no longer captive. The larger of the two springs slips off the front of the rod now. I checked the HK forum and apparently it is a known problem that HK is resolving for free. I have already emailed them about it and they responded thirty seconds later. I'll update when there is resolution to the issue. It's important to note that the gun does hand cycle fine despite this, and I've heard that it will shoot fine also. None the less, I want the issue resolved.

All in all I really like the gun. It's a lot of fun and easy to shoot fast. I anticipate years of happy service and happy range time.
 
On the slide lock issue, there is a couple options:

A. Relearn your grip (as you know)
B. Get a set of short slide release levers (Like are made for the S models with safety)
C. Get a set of thin slide release levers, which is what I have on my P2K

I checked out the thin levers from my P2K on my P30L and they work great, they're just not "captive" like the original P30 levers are. Since I sling-shot about 95% of the time, I'm thinking of having a set of thin levers shortened.

The one thing I dislike about the P series HKs is the long reset, but that's nothing money and a trip to Lazy Wolf Guns won't cure. I got my P30L back a couple weeks ago from having a reset reduction done, Rick does fantastic work. Problem is my other HK LEMs now feel...meh.

Chuck

Chuck
 
On the slide lock issue, there is a couple options:

A. Relearn your grip (as you know)

I think this is where I need to start since I have issues on multiple guns. It's always on my carry guns. I have largish hands and gripping a small gun causes me to get my thumbs tucked in there a little too much. However,

B. Get a set of short slide release levers (Like are made for the S models with safety)
C. Get a set of thin slide release levers, which is what I have on my P2K
these are good options, and ones I'll keep in mind.

The one thing I dislike about the P series HKs is the long reset, but that's nothing money and a trip to Lazy Wolf Guns won't cure. I got my P30L back a couple weeks ago from having a reset reduction done, Rick does fantastic work. Problem is my other HK LEMs now feel...meh.
Chuck
Since this is my first LEM trigger I have to say I'm pretty happy. The reset could definitely be a bit shorter, but I'm pretty content with how it is. But, that may be dictated by my wallet. I may have it worked over in the future.

I'm actually more concerned with having the trigger on my HK45 worked over. It's acceptable to me in SA, but DA leaves something to be desired.
 
I'm actually more concerned with having the trigger on my HK45 worked over. It's acceptable to me in SA, but DA leaves something to be desired.

I'd LEM it......like we've discussed before. The reset on the HK45 (and USP guns) isn't that bad. Another little trick is lubing the internals and a little grease on the main spring guide, that and the FPB gets rid of a little of the gritty feeling without a trigger job.

Chuck
 
What I've always felt about traditional DA hk triggers is that they are long, heavy, stagy, and they stack. Sigs on the other hand are long and heavy but are smooth and predictable. The LEM trigger is by far "the" trigger setup for an hk. And I'm a big hk fan.
 
I'd LEM it......like we've discussed before. The reset on the HK45 (and USP guns) isn't that bad. Another little trick is lubing the internals and a little grease on the main spring guide, that and the FPB gets rid of a little of the gritty feeling without a trigger job.

Chuck
Yeah, we have discussed that before. I am leaning more towards it now that I've tried out a LEM trigger. I don't know why, but I'm resistant to the idea....... but I have no idea why.
 
Yeah, we have discussed that before. I am leaning more towards it now that I've tried out a LEM trigger. I don't know why, but I'm resistant to the idea....... but I have no idea why.

Keep shooting the P30SK and it will grow on you.......I don't even notice the "1st stage" of the LEM trigger anymore as the slack is taken up as part of my presentation. There's no way I'd go back to a DA/SA after learning the LEM trigger, same can be said for striker fired guns. The LEM IMHO is the best defensive trigger going.

Keep in mind, if you do it yourself (which I recommend) you can always convert it back to a DA/SA later.

Chuck
 
Keep in mind, if you do it yourself (which I recommend) you can always convert it back to a DA/SA later.

Chuck

So I take it that it's a relatively easy procedure? The more I dry fire my P30SK, the more I like the trigger.
 
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