Three Germans....... One of them is sneaky......P30SK

[I6turbo]

What I've always felt about traditional DA hk triggers is that they are long, heavy, stagy, and they stack.

I'll 2nd that notion based solely upon my sample of one. I had a P2000SK V3 for a short time and the DA trigger was the worst I've ever owned on any gun in my lifetime. I've had a few turds for triggers, but the HK was worse than any I can recall. I do not know what possessed me to buy that gun in the first place. :banghead:

 

[Chuck R.]

So I take it that it's a relatively easy procedure? The more I dry fire my P30SK, the more I like the trigger.

Trust me, I'm not the most mechanically inclined guy around and I've converted 3 on my own (P2000, HK45T and a P30L). My HK45T started as a V1 DA/SA, then went to a V9 SA, no decock, the I changed it to a LEM. It's "relatively" simple and takes about 1 hr the first time.

There are a couple tools that make working on HKs easier, but you won't need for this job:
1. Roll Pin Punch Set
2. Trigger Return Spring "pliers" (simply needle nose pliers with a gap ground in. You can get them from HK Parts Net.
3. Little magnetic parts bin/holder (you'll thank me later)

Parts I always try to get directly from HK. Contrary to the "HK, because you suck and we hate you" chit, the CS guys are extremely helpful and the parts are much cheaper going direct. HK Parts net is usually quicker though.

Spend some time on the HK Pro forum, there are tutorials available for about every conversion possible. Also search Youtube, there's some very good videos on conversions. My 1st one I literally did while watching a video and pausing periodically.

Watch this series of videos 1-4:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpSucZM_hFc

I didn't use the blue gloves and it still turned out OK.

Read this thread:

http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-reference-library/169316-how-convert-v3-da-sa-p2000sk-v1-v2-lem.html

Chuck

 

[Zaydok Allen]

Thanks for that info Chuck. I'm probably going to go that way eventually.

I've been meaning to share this pick. I like to keep my subcompact guns subcompact. But I thought a pinky shelf might be nice. I found this aluminum base plate on HKparts.net. It adds one extra round of capacity, bringing it up to 12 total. I'm not sure if I like the gun more with or without it, but it seems to function fine this way.

 

[sigarms228]

I'll 2nd that notion based solely upon my sample of one. I had a P2000SK V3 for a short time and the DA trigger was the worst I've ever owned on any gun in my lifetime. I've had a few turds for triggers, but the HK was worse than any I can recall. I do not know what possessed me to buy that gun in the first place. :banghead:

It is easy to improve the DA trigger pull on at least some HKs with a couple spring changes. My P30LS had a fairly heavy DA trigger pull out of the box but by 500 rounds had improved noticeably. Then I changed the hammer spring to the "match" hammer spring used in the USP and HK45 which is between 10-11 pounds and also changed to the newer and lighter HK firing pin block spring. Now my P30LS has a really sweet 8.5 LB DA trigger pull and nicer than any of my SIGs and even my CZ SP01 Shadow. It is fun punching out the center of the target running 1 DA - 2 SA repeatedly and no staging. I have put at least 1000 rounds through it since the spring changes and absolutely no issues with a wide variety of ammo. Sill I like LEM in my P30SK for CCW.


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[Zaydok Allen]

You know the DA/SA trigger is the most common complaint I hear about HK pistols. My HK45 is smooth, just heavy. SA is very decent and easy to control.

I handled a P30SK with a DA/SA trigger. I was impressed. It was very smooth, and while still a bit heavy, it felt lighter than other HK triggers I've played with. I think the issue gets over blown a bit, but it's all preference. So all opinions are correct and valid.

However, last night I was dry firing my LEM trigger, and I think I'm officially sold. I don't think I'd buy another HK hammer fired gun without a LEM trigger in it, unless of course I felt some powerful need to have an external safety on it.

That does bring up another question though. My girl friend really likes my P30SK, but feels the need to have an external safety on her gun. Is there a way to install the LEM trigger, but still keep the external safety?

I've heard that by changing out the DA/SA trigger for the LEM, you can still keep the decocker, which makes the first shot much heavier, but not the safety. I've tried the LEM on my gun without the slide cycling and it's pretty heavy. It's more like a heavy DA revolver trigger at that point. That may alleviate her fears, as she sees that there is no need for a safety lever on a revolver due to the trigger.

 

[Chuck R.]

That does bring up another question though. My girl friend really likes my P30SK, but feels the need to have an external safety on her gun. Is there a way to install the LEM trigger, but still keep the external safety?

I've heard that by changing out the DA/SA trigger for the LEM, you can still keep the decocker, which makes the first shot much heavier, but not the safety. I've tried the LEM on my gun without the slide cycling and it's pretty heavy. It's more like a heavy DA revolver trigger at that point. That may alleviate her fears, as she sees that there is no need for a safety lever on a revolver due to the trigger.

Yes, you'd buy a V3 P30SKS with safety and convert it to LEM keeping the safety function:

http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-refer...da-sa-p30sk-p30sks-lem-newest-v4-1ch-lem.html

My P30L is a V0, which is the LEM retaining the de-cocking function and a spurred hammer, it an any other LEM that's not cocked are essentially a DA, and the trigger pull will reflect the full DA pull weight. You can always change out some of the springs to achieve a lighter DA pull, but your sort of circumventing the whole concept of the LEM.

There are quite a few guys that have made P30S LEMs, so it is an option. I'd let her shoot your LEM V1 for a while and see If she comes around. Another option would be to go with a V2, V4 or a "Todd Green Special" by swapping out some springs. It is possible to get a 7.3 lb trigger pull on an LEM.



igarms228 is correct, HK will not warranty a P series pistol converted to LEM, but honestly it's not something I lose sleep over. You could have Lazy Wolf Guns do it, and Rick will warranty his work, but the wait time and costs of shipping take all the fun out of it.

Chuck

 

[sigarms228]

Keep in mind that changing a P30SK DA/SA to LEM will void factory warranty.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

Thought I'd share a few quick notes.

I contacted HK about the recoil spring assembly issue I mentioned earlier. They promptly sent me a new assembly free of charge. Since the old one appears to function the gun properly, but just exhibits a bad habit of escaping its captivity upon disassembly, I believe I will use the old one for range practice and the new one for carry. So I got a free recoil assembly out of the defect. That's cool with me.

Also, my holster showed up last Friday. I got a Stealth Gear Flex OWB holster. As a result I decided to carry the gun this weekend, despite only having 200 rounds through it. It carried very comfortably and I actually found it most comfortable and to print the least at the 2:30-2:45 position. At 3:30-4:00 the grip did print more than I cared for, but I'm used to carrying a smaller gun IWB, so I'll get used to it eventually.

At first I was worried the holster would damage the gun's finish over time, but now that it's taken in the shape of the gun a bit, I'm not that concerned. A carry gun is going to develope some honest wear anyway so there's no point in worrying about it. Though, in the future I may have the gun hard chromed if the finish gets too worn.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

New spring versus old one. The new one is on top.