Three Killed by man with "Assault Rifle"

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This sure causes problems for gun owners. The worst of it all, is that three folks are dead, another injured.
Those with an agenda against semi auto rifles will have a field day with this.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080801/ap_on_re_us/wisconsin_shooting
NIAGARA, Wis. - Authorities were searching for a man wearing camouflage clothing and carrying a rifle on Friday after four people were shot, three fatally, near the Wisconsin-Michigan state line.

Chief Deputy Jerry Sauve of the Marinette County Sheriff's Department said his office got a call around 6 p.m. Thursday of a shooting in the town of Niagara along the Menominee River.

Eric Burmeister, director of emergency management for Marinette County, said the first shooting occurred at about 5:30 p.m. and others followed. He confirmed that three people were killed and one was wounded.

The victims' identities have not been released.

Burmeister said the gunman, whom he described as a middle-age man wearing camouflage and armed with an assault rifle, was last seen in a wooded area near Niagara.

A command post was set up for state and other law enforcement personnel being brought in to help sheriff's officials investigate what Sauve called an "active shooter situation."

Niagara is located in far northern Marinette County, just across the Menominee River from Dickinson County in Michigan's Upper Peninsula
 
Must we always start our posts "this sure causes a problem for gun owners?" There are people dying from gunshot wounds every day. But a gun is just a tool. Don't play up the hype or worry about what the world is thinking. :p
 
Those with an agenda against semi auto rifles will have a field day with this.

Yup they sure will. Of course if they'd place problem ownership in the right place (with the criminals) it would probably have considerably more effect.
 
It probably wasn't even an "assault rifle"....

Of course it wasn't, but because we gun owners on the whole have acquiesced in the anti-gunners' bogus phrases and not fought them tooth and nail, we've fallen right into their trap, and now we are sitting ducks to have sport utility rifles demonized at every turn. Just look at how many threads here willingly use the phrase assault weapons ban without as if that had some real meaning. Anyway, what kind of freak would do this? They need to string him up by his privates when they catch him.
 
This sure causes problems for gun owners. The worst of it all, is that three folks are dead, another injured.
I agree it causes some problems. Murderous shootings always have a negative effect on the gun owner community.

Here's the latest on the case. I don't see yet how the reporters know it is an "assault rifle" involved....


3 killed in northeastern Wis. shooting

Associated Press - August 1, 2008 8:54 AM ET

NIAGARA, Wis. (AP) - Authorities are searching northeastern Wisconsin for a camouflaged gunman who fatally shot three people from Michigan and wounded a fourth.

Marinette County Sheriff Jim Kanikula says 2 of the bodies had not been removed this morning for fear the shooter still was in the area just over the state line from Michigan's Upper Peninsula.

The gunman had emerged yesterday afternoon from woods near a train bridge on the Menominee River outside Niagara and opened fire on a group of 9 young adults gathered to swim.

Kanikula says Tiffany Pohlson, Anthony Spigarelli and Bryan Mort were believed shot to death with an assault rifle. Daniel Louis Gordon was wounded.

Road blocks are set up in the area and an unknown number of homes have been evacuated.
 
^ True. Not much of the public knows anything about these "assault weapons" either. The other day I showed my neighbor my guns and he showed me his. His wife saw my WASR10 and my neighbor said "that's an Assault Rifle!" and she asked "isn't that illegal??!" I told her it was just a rifle and that it was legal because it was only semi-auto. She asked if I needed to register it... People have no knowledge of firearms whatsoever.....
 
But a gun is just a tool. Don't play up the hype or worry about what the world is thinking.
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yeah, thats a great idea, ignore it and it will go away
 
It probably wasn't even an "assault rifle"....
Even if it was, the same thing could have been done with a revolver if you actually aim. Firing at 9 people swimming, and are essentially then "trapped" in a somewhat confined area, who thus cant just start runnig off in all directions, wouldnt be very difficult to target and hit.The guy is a whacko, sick, murderer regardless of the weapon he used.Heck, an experianced bow hunter probly could have managed to hit 4 people who were swimming I'd think, even if they werent using an evil "asault bow" with "cop killer arows".

Very sad. Hope they get the guy and string him up.
 
He's caught....

From Fox News

NIAGARA, Wis. — An official says the massive search for a camouflaged gunman who fatally shot three young people from Michigan along the Menominee River in Wisconsin is over.

Marinette County Emergency Management Director Eric Burmeister says a suspected gunman was taken into custody shortly before 10 a.m. EDT Friday.

Sheriff's authorities say the man was armed with a military-style assault rifle shot and killed three Michigan teenagers and wounded a 20-year-old Michigan man Thursday evening as a group of young people gathered to go swimming near the Wisconsin-Michigan border near Niagara, Wis.

More than 100 law enforcement officers from at least 10 local and state agencies had searched the area for the gunman.

Thing is, these so called "assault weapons" are in such common use now they are bound to turn up in crime now and then.
I'm sure it wasn't a genuine "assault rifle" but the press no longer cares.

Sales of things covered under the Clinton ban have been astronomical the last few years and it's simply a statistical probability that they will be used in crimes.

If the only guns sold were revolvers, guess what..... only revolvers would be used in crimes. Then they would want to ban revolvers.
This is not a gun issue, don't let them make it into one.
 
There is a huge interest in military type rifles because people want to get them before the ban hammer drops. Prior to the Clinton regime AR, AK and FALs were very expensive and rather exotic.

The antis are their own worse enemy and are too stupid to realize it.
 
Verbal abbreviations...

I have a friend I've known since Junior High School, who is a PhD in "Communications," meaning that he researches and teaches about radio at a university. He has lots of previous on-air experience. He throws around the term "assault rifle" with reckless, uninformed, abandon, having never in his life been interested in guns and/or shooting. To the best of my knowledge he has nothing personal against guns and/or shooting, either.

Thing of it is, he throws around lots of verbal abbreviations with reckless, uninformed, abandon (though none other that bother me as much.) Media people tend to use lots of such verbal abbreviations--two-syllable quickies standing for much larger concepts--it seems to be part of the personal style that goes into being "in the media."

I've corrected him, privately and politely, at least twice, on the misuse of the term "assault rifle." I might just as well have corrected a concrete wall.

Generalizing from my experience, media people talk on the air--and think, off the air--a lot about subjects with which they have very little actual knowledge or experience. They aren't usually interested on filling themselves in on the details, because tomorrow will bring a whole new raft of things about which to talk on the air, about which they have very little actual knowledge or experience.

Example: A reporter covers an airplane crash. The reporter is not a pilot, never had anything to do with aircraft except riding in one as a passenger. How likely is this reporter to get all the technical details, understand them, and then explain them on the air in his 30 seconds?? Right, he just won't. And the aircraft community will castigate the reporter for not knowing the difference between lift and wind shear, or VFR vs IFR.

Being a patient in a hospital doesn't make you a doctor. Reporting on a shooting doesn't make you a gun expert.

I agree that we must continue to point out the important lapses made by the media. But we must also keep in mind that they will continue to make what we consider major lapses, just in the daily course of their doing their business. And we shouldn't blame them too much for the lapses--it's just in the nature of what they do.

As to Law Enforcement types, well, when they deal with the news media, they want it quick and to the point also. Some LEO's are actually anti weapons for the general public--guess how they'll state the case. Many other LEO's, IMX, are quite indifferent to guns--the one they're required to carry could be a pair of pliers or a hammer on their belt, but the regs say no, it has to be a gun so they wear it. These LEO's just don't care about firearms, as long as the perp they have to arrest doesn't have one. Guess how much technical knowledge of firearms such an LEO will bring to his news media statement.
 
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I feel bad for the victims. Glad they caught this guy.

These things are going to happen, the positive sides of gun ownership should outweigh them.

As for terminology, there is a difference between assault rifle and assault weapon. An assault rifle has a fairly precise, military derived definition. And assault weapon is whatever definition politicians throw at scary, paramilitary style weapons, and includes typically, certain handgun and shotguns as well as rifles. The federal ban only covered semiautomatic weapons and therefore excluded assault rifles, which are select fire, by definition.
 
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Just what I was talking about!

As for terminology, there is a difference between assault rifle and assault weapon. An assault rifle has a fairly precise, military derived definition. And assault weapon is whatever definition politicians throw at scary, paramilitary style weapons, and includes typically, certain handgun and shotguns as well as rifles. The federal ban only covered semiautomatic weapons and therefore excluded assault rifles, which are select fire, by definition.
This is EXACTLY the kind of technical difference that the media will completely ignore.

I say, don't worry about it. It's when politicians misuse these terms, especially in proposing laws, that we need to be heavy on the corrections.

The "media people" will continue as they always have. Might as well get mad at the watchdog for barking.
 
How likely is this reporter to get all the technical details, understand them, and then explain them on the air in his 30 seconds?? Right, he just won't.
That's no excuse for not trying to get it right or not caring whether it is right. A professional journalist (TV or print) should care enough to want to get it right. Unless they have an agenda to promote -- which removes the work from journalism and into propaganda.
I say, don't worry about it. It's when politicians misuse these terms, especially in proposing laws, that we need to be heavy on the corrections.
But the "media" are far too often willing participants in a political agenda.
 
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I can't help but wonder if they are going to find a plot of marijuana or a meth lab nearby. I hate speculating but it makes me wonder why a middle aged man would go shooting a bunch of kids in the woods unless he was up to something he was trying to hide.
 
I can't help but wonder if they are going to find a plot of marijuana or a meth lab nearby. I hate speculating but it makes me wonder why a middle aged man would go shooting a bunch of kids in the woods unless he was up to something he was trying to hide.

Wouln't a bold execution draw more attention rather than make it go away?

My guess is the guy "has issues". Not that I think it is a defense. If the state has lethal injection I hope DA seeks the needle.
 
I heard about that today at work and a few of my coworkers were amazed that something like that could happen so close to home. I told them that even though it is rural the UP isn't safe, crime happens everywhere.
 
This happened just 60 miles south of me. Murders are EXTREMELY rare up here so it's all over the news.

The guy is 38 years old and lives with his mother. The local news team interviewed a neighbor who said he wasn't surprised since the guy was very anti-social and never talked to anyone.

The news also said a local girl had filed a complaint with the police claiming he had raped her Wednesday night at nearly the same spot the shooting took place. He must have just lost it for some reason and gone over the edge.

Here's a link to more details from the local TV station:

http://www.wluctv6.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=168220
 
Those with an agenda against semi auto rifles will have a field day with this.

It probably wasn't even an "assault rifle"....

it doesnt matter what kind of gun it was. If more than two people get killed, they automatically blame whatever they describe as assault weapons.
 
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