Thumb Position on Handguns

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Grip safeties need attention too. Ive had a couple of new guns that came from the factory and the grip safety didnt work at all, and the trigger would drop with the safety depressed or not..

No one should be under the impression that the thumb safety, or grip safety, positively block the hammer. Both are sear blocking safeties, not hammer block safeties. They are as 1911Tuner said:

1911 safety

It's a little unnerving, but it's not as bad as it seems on the face of it.

The trigger still has to be pulled in order to fire the gun, and the grip safety has to be depressed before the trigger can be pulled.

The thumb safety only blocks the sear. It doesn't lock or block the hammer.

If the sear were to suddenly disintegrate, the hammer would fall, and it would wipe the safety off faster than you can do it with your thumb...and the odds of that happening are about as good as winning the powerball three times in a row.

If the hammer hooks were to fail, the sear would grab the half cock and stop the hammer.

If the sear crown cracked, the sear would still grab the half cock and stop the hammer.

And if it happens to be equipped with a Series 80 or Swartz system...the firing pin is blocked unless the trigger is pulled or the grip safety depressed...respectively.

So, breathe easy and keep your finger off the trigger until you want the gun to fire
 
My first handgun was a 1911, which I learned to shoot in the Jeff Cooper/Chuck Taylor manner, because that was what I was reading, and that is how I was mentored, by a student of Chuck Taylor. (I had not grown-up around firearms.) The best position for my weapon-hand thumb was forward, riding the safety. The thumb-forward support hand grip was not yet a thing, but I do not clearly remember exactly how I placed my thumb, other than remembering that its position evolved, over time. Eventually, I started using the thumb-forward support hand hold, influenced by the competition shooters, such as Rob Leatham.

Within a short time of buying that first 1911, however, in late 1983, I has hired by a big-city PD, and had to really, truly, seriously learn DA six-gunning. The curriculum was to shoot thumbs-down, and that is how I did it. So, for years, I shot 1911 pistols with my thumb riding the safety, and revolvers, and then later DA/SA autos, with my weapon-hand thumb locked-down. This continued, if I recall correctly, into the 2002-2004 time frame, when I used G22 Glock duty pistols.

Then, in 2004, I started using a SIG P229R duty pistol, and found that the thumb-forward support hand grip worked well, with the “drumstick” of my support-hand thumb firmly locked against the weapon. Of course, the weapon-hand thumb had to be forward, for this to work. So, I became a both-thumbs-forward shooter, when circumstances allowed. I worked straight nights, usually 10P-6A, so, much of the time, I had a hand-held light in my support hand, so, would default to the thumb-locked-down grip, at such times.

Then, in 2011, just before I reached age fifty, things started changing. My “strong” hand was not so strong, anymore, due to nerve damage and/or impingement, and arthritis became a factor. I could no longer trust my right hand to provide enough support, for reliable auto-loader function, with the wide-body SIG, unless I locked-down my support-hand thumb. I was not limp-wristing, so much as numb-thumbing. Notably, however, my left hand is not “weak,” as I was born left-handed, but right-armed, and have been functionally ambidextrous with most handguns. So, when firing two-handed lefty, with autos, I will still shoot thumbs-forward. I continued to carry right-hand primary,

Not long before the panic-demic, I had a numb-thumb incident with a previous-reliable 1911, and that caused me to stand-down my 1911 pistols, for primary defensive carry. I plan to experiment with 1911 shooting, with my thumb in positions other than riding the thumb safety. (I would still use a 1911 for fixed-position home defense, with the weapon in my healthier left hand.) None of my vetted 1911 pistols has an ambidextrous safety, for defensive carry.

A couple of years ago, I added a 1911 with ambidextrous safety levers, but the darn levers are not workable, as the huge “gas pedal” lever on the left side bears against the base knuckle of my left index finger, when gripping the weapon lefty, and, in right-hand mode, if I ride that huge safety lever, the web of my hand cannot properly interface with the grip safety. This is yet another reason for me to get away from riding the safety. (I have yet to decide whether to grind-away the offending “gas pedal.” It is a high-end pistol, so, perhaps, I should re-home the thing. I bought it pre-owned, so would not lose too much.)

Then, the panic-demic interrupted opportunities for regular training, and I eventually stood-down my Glocks as defensive carry weapons, because I need a substantial amount of live-fire training, with Glocks, to maintain the accuracy I want, at distance. I will still use Glocks for home dense, where the range is short.

I have experimented with thumbs-forward, with Glocks, but have generally defaulted to thumbs-down. My first round with Glock was 2002-2004, when I used G22 duty pistols, and a G29 during some personal time. I worked a Gen3 G17 back into my life, in 2012, in the hope that my then-chief would OK 9mm duty pistols, as .40 S&W, fired from my high-bore-axis P229, was really vexing my arthritis. It was late 2015, when I could finally carry a G17 on duty, and by then I had discovered the Gen4 fit my hands far better than Gen3.

I have never had good results with my thumbs pointing higher than horizontal, with any handgun. If my thumbs are not locked-down, then I have aligned one or both of them with the target.

Notably, having defaulted to revolvers, for carry, has not been a problem, for me, as I learned to LOVE long-strong DA shooting, with revolvers, in the Eighties, and never forsaken them. I kept carrying duty revolvers, for a numbers of years after I was able to transition to duty autos. Every time a duty autos would let me down, I would default right back to a duty sixgun, until a rule change in 1997 ended that. Revolvers are why my right hand remains relevant, for defensive shooting, as a revolver, with not-too-large grips, remains as viable, as ever, in my right hand; thumb firmly locked-down, of course.
 
Notably, having defaulted to revolvers, for carry, has not been a problem, for me, as I learned to LOVE long-strong DA shooting, with revolvers, in the Eighties, and never forsaken them. I kept carrying duty revolvers, for a numbers of years after I was able to transition to duty autos. Every time a duty autos would let me down, I would default right back to a duty sixgun, until a rule change in 1997 ended that. Revolvers are why my right hand remains relevant, for defensive shooting, as a revolver, with not-too-large grips, remains as viable, as ever, in my right hand; thumb firmly locked-down, of course.

Excellent post. I am older than you, and unlike many of the younger crowd who need double stack magazines, and lots of them, I have no problem whatsoever with the lethality of a wheel gun. I have a number of these Taurus snubbies, sprinkled through my vehicles.

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and this is a favorite concealed carry.

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double action only, no flippers, levers, or depressors required to make it go bang. I like the safety and simplicity of the things. And I have no idea where my thumbs are, except they are on the ends of my hands. I am more concerned about sight alignment and trigger pull than about thumb position.
 
And I have no idea where my thumbs are, except they are on the ends of my hands. I am more concerned about sight alignment and trigger pull than about thumb position.
First time you get that thumb in the wrong place, youre going to know it! Might still want to pay a wee bit of attention there. :)
 
First time you get that thumb in the wrong place, youre going to know it! Might still want to pay a wee bit of attention there. :)

I think that he might mean that he does not have to consciously think where his thumbs are. “Unconscious competence” is a desirable goal, when shooting. I think some martial arts use the term “No Mind.” Like the many times I drew my duty handgun, with no conscious thought; it “just appeared” in my hand, when needed.

When one switches guns, too often, or “rotates” carry guns, it may interfere with this unconscious competence. To be clear, I am not saying that one cannot be equally competent with more than one weapon system, but, the more variables there are, the more chance for something to go awry.
 
When I read this thread I had just come home from shooting two revolvers(Model 10 & GP100) at the range and my groups were consistently a couple inches to the right (3 o'clock). Turns out I was rolling my right thumb slightly using two hand grip. Today I put the thumb of my weak hand directly over the nail of my thumb of right hand. The problem disappeared. I know the other causes of hits at 3 o'clock but rolling my thumb(poor grip) was the problem. IMO, THR is the best gun forum on the net.
 
Thumbs up for me, I've got long fingers, and it's what my instructor taught me from day one, maybe due to my fingers. It works great for me. I like to feel the side if the slide too, it helps me present and fire with more speed.
 
Since this is the GENERAL handgun discussion forum, y'all might want to have a look at this for where to put your thumb using a revolver. Despite what some folks might assume seeing this, it is NOT a strictly right-handed hold.
 
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