TiteGroup 9mm RMR 115gr P365X evaluation

[vaalpens]

I have been evaluating load with my P365X, especially with the W244 load. During my last test I also included some TiteGroup loads. These loads were only tested at 10 yards, so I still think my W244 load performs better in the accuracy/grouping column. Following are the test results from my P365X at 10 yards with RMR 115gr bullets using TiteGroup at 10 yards:


9mm, P365X, 3.1"
Case: FC
COL: 1.125"
RMR, 115gr, FMJRN, TiteGroup, 4.2gr, FED100
Average: 1015
ES: 29
SD: 14.8
Force: 263
PF: 116
Velocities: 1002, 1031, 1002, 1010, 1031
Grouping @ 10yd: 0.9"
Test Date: 05/29/2021

9mm, P365X, 3.1"
Case: FC
COL: 1.125"
RMR, 115gr, FMJRN, TiteGroup, 4.3gr, FED100
Average: 1029
ES: 44
SD: 19
Force: 270
PF: 118
Velocities: 999, 1041, 1041, 1021, 1043
Grouping @ 10yd: 1.24"
Test Date: 05/29/2021

9mm, P365X, 3.1"
Case: FC
COL: 1.125"
RMR, 115gr, FMJRN, TiteGroup, 4.4gr, FED100
Average: 1050
ES: 69
SD: 28.4
Force: 281
PF: 120
Velocities: 1031, 1068, 1080, 1061, 1011
Grouping @ 10yd: 1.28"
Test Date: 05/29/2021


9mm, P365X, 3.1"
Case: FC
COL: 1.125"
RMR, 115gr, FMJRN, TiteGroup, 4.5gr, FED100
Average: 1120
ES: 46
SD: 17.9
Force: 320
PF: 128
Velocities: 1098, 1144, 1115, 1113, 1132
Grouping @ 10yd: 0.85"
Test Date: 05/29/2021

9mm, P365X, 3.1"
Case: FC
COL: 1.125"
RMR, 115gr, FMJRN, TiteGroup, 4.6gr, FED100
Average: 1131
ES: 69
SD: 26.1
Force: 327
PF: 130
Velocities: 1090, 1128, 1131, 1147, 1159
Grouping @ 10yd: 1.43"
Test Date: 05/29/2021

9mm, P365X, 3.1"
Case: FC
COL: 1.125"
RMR, 115gr, FMJRN, TiteGroup, 4.7gr, FED100
Average: 1121
ES: 30
SD: 11.8
Force: 321
PF: 128
Velocities: 1119, 1137, 1128, 1107, 1114
Grouping @ 10yd: 1.15"
Test Date: 05/29/2021

 

[Charlie98]

I was stuck with 2#'s of TiteGroup... I found the best use for it was 9mm, either 115grn or 124grn loads, where I'm burning it up right now. I'm also working with W244 in both the 9mm and .45ACP, and it has done pretty well, at least as well as TiteGroup... without all the problems TG can give, sometimes. As much as I don't like TG, it is economical, it does perform...

 

[George P]

I like Titegroup, as well as Bullseye, Universal and Green Dot for 9mm. All except green Dot work well for me in 38Spl too.

 

[Typetwelve]

I find TG to be very economical and perfectly fine for general 9mm shooting. Under Berry's 115g, 4.1g was yielding 1100 fps from my 4.5" XDm. Those shoot perfectly for steel or general target use. I bought a 4# jug of it for dirt cheap...so I have years of it left.

 

[vaalpens]

I find TG to be very economical and perfectly fine for general 9mm shooting. Under Berry's 115g, 4.1g was yielding 1100 fps from my 4.5" XDm. Those shoot perfectly for steel or general target use. I bought a 4# jug of it for dirt cheap...so I have years of it left.

Thanks for sharing your load information. It seemed the my last 3 loads levelled off, so I will definitely not go any higher. I will probably test a lower range again, and maybe start at 4.0gr. I also want to test these loads in my other 9mm.

 

[vaalpens]

I was stuck with 2#'s of TiteGroup... I found the best use for it was 9mm, either 115grn or 124grn loads, where I'm burning it up right now. I'm also working with W244 in both the 9mm and .45ACP, and it has done pretty well, at least as well as TiteGroup... without all the problems TG can give, sometimes. As much as I don't like TG, it is economical, it does perform...

Thanks. I have loaded a few in 45ACP also, but haven't tested them. W244 performs well for me in multiple cartridges (9mm, 40S&W, 357sig and 45ACP).

 

[vaalpens]

I like Titegroup, as well as Bullseye, Universal and Green Dot for 9mm. All except green Dot work well for me in 38Spl too.

Thanks. It should work well in 38spl, but I haven't tried it yet. Probably need to put it on my to do list.

 

[AJC1]

4.0 grains with an rmr 115.matchwiner at 1.090 is my range load for fun.

 

[vaalpens]

4.0 grains with an rmr 115.matchwiner at 1.090 is my range load for fun.

Thanks! I have never tried the 115gr MW's. Maybe I'll try them one day when RMR start selling them again.

 

[Charlie98]

Thanks. I have loaded a few in 45ACP also, but haven't tested them. W244 performs well for me in multiple cartridges (9mm, 40S&W, 357sig and 45ACP).

Not to derail your TG thread... but...

Did you find that bullet seating depth had a major factor in the .45ACP with W244? I had 2 test loads that weren't that impressive, but I shortened the OAL a tad and they settled down very nicely. WST is kind of like that, too.

 

[vaalpens]

Not to derail your TG thread... but...

Not a problem.

Did you find that bullet seating depth had a major factor in the .45ACP with W244? I had 2 test loads that weren't that impressive, but I shortened the OAL a tad and they settled down very nicely. WST is kind of like that, too.

I don't play around much with the COL, but it looks like I used to load with a COL of .1255", but lately it has all been 1.250". Not sure why I changed the COL. I have listed some of my better loads on this thread Favorite 45ACP handloads, but lately all my volume loads have been using WST and W244.

 

[Walkalong]

Not to derail your TG thread... but...

I don't play around much with the COL

Other than function, neither do I, adjust the powder to suit the OAL.

I imagine it settled down/worked better at the shorter OAL because of increased pressure, which you could have gained with a small increase in powder. Just a thought.

 

[mbear]

In the early 2000's tightgroup was considered the powder for minor power factor loads.

 

[Charlie98]

Other than function, neither do I, adjust the powder to suit the OAL.

I imagine it settled down/worked better at the shorter OAL because of increased pressure, which you could have gained with a small increase in powder. Just a thought.

Well, when you are already at book max with an unfamiliar powder... you take baby steps. I think you are correct, however. I'm sort of wondering the same thing with WST in the .45ACP... where I am over book and am still 100fps +/- below my velocity expectations.

 

[vaalpens]

Well, when you are already at book max with an unfamiliar powder... you take baby steps. I think you are correct, however. I'm sort of wondering the same thing with WST in the .45ACP... where I am over book and am still 100fps +/- below my velocity expectations.

Good point. The only time I have adjusted my COL lower was when I had a bullet that I thought was loaded long, and the velocity was way below published (4" barrel vs my 3.9" barrel). I did not want to go much over max powder, so I tweaked my COL a bit, until I was in a comfortable powder to velocity range. But once I find a COL that works, then I hardly change it, unless there is a function issue, like Walkalong noted.

 

[Blue68f100]

Well, when you are already at book max with an unfamiliar powder... you take baby steps. I think you are correct, however. I'm sort of wondering the same thing with WST in the .45ACP... where I am over book and am still 100fps +/- below my velocity expectations.

Check the load data manual you used and see what they used for a test receiver, and OAL before shortening your OAL. If they used a longer barrel you may be right in line. TG is one powder that can get real moody in a bad way at the top end . Be careful and safe.

 

[vaalpens]

TG is one powder that can get real moody in a bad way at the top end

Thanks! With my load above the last 3 loads at the top, the velocity leveled off. This is probably a sign to not go any further. My plan is to retest a couple of loads and also add a couple at the bottom of the range.

 

[lordpaxman]

@mbear, welcome to THR!

In the early 2000's tightgroup was considered the powder for minor power factor loads.

Titegroup, N320, and ASP cover the majority of powders for minor. Titegroup is a good powder you just have to acknowledge it has some nuances that can bite you quicker than other powders.
I worked up minor loads for 9mm, but it really is nice in .38. Good luck.

 

[Charlie98]

TG is one powder that can get real moody in a bad way at the top end .

Thanks! With my load above the last 3 loads at the top, the velocity leveled off. This is probably a sign to not go any further. My plan is to retest a couple of loads and also add a couple at the bottom of the range.

All I use TiteGroup for is 9mm... and only 115 and 124grn bullets. I'm comfortable with it there, and it does a good job.

I had the 'level off' thing when I was testing BE-86 in 9mm... I hit a threshold with it where more powder translated to 0 velocity gain, I've never had a powder do that before. Granted, I'm working with short-barreled autos (3.1" and 3.6", respectively...) so strange things can happen, but I found it curious. BE-86 has since left the bench... just like TiteGroup will when I'm done with the last #...