DHart
Member
To my friends on the 1911Forum... not long ago I had a little run in with a moderator in the Dan Wesson folder of the 1911Forum. Overall I think it’s a very well run forum with a lot to offer - especially to those who are new to the 1911... albeit with just a few “mini-Mussolini” moderators who thrill to what little power they can glean from threatening with their ban button.
Here’s what happened. I am a Dan Wesson Razorback owner (and had a lot of problems with my gun as many new DW owners have also experienced) and I had been critical of Dan Wesson’s policy of making the customer pay for shipping to the factory for warranty problems (costs the user about $50-60 to send the gun for repairs to make it run as it should have run in the first place.) I’m a supporter of what DW is trying to do (build a well spec’d 1911 and sell it for a moderate price!) However, I had commented a number of times (in different threads and response to different posters) about how the majors (Colt, S&W, Springfield, etc.) responsibly pay for shipping BOTH ways on warranty work but DW does not.
Over time, it seemed that nearly every time I checked into the Dan Wesson folder (which is a very quiet, slow moving folder anyway), there was a new Dan Wesson buyer who was having jams, poor reliability, premature lock backs, FTF’s, etc. Many of these issues could easily be corrected if the factory tended to chamber specs, slide lock adjustments, and fitment issues. To their credit, I think DW service tries hard to rectify the problems, but it seemed to me a little more prevention on their part would be worth pounds of cure and bad press.
I felt the frustration of these new buyers who experienced the same reliability problems with their Dan Wessons (as I did myself with my DW Razorback) and commented on that fact a little too much for the liking of the two mods (Noklue and Severns), who seem to have an especially low tolerance for anything in their Dan Wesson folder which doesn’t quite suit their agenda. (For example, I was promptly chastized the first time I visited that folder for asking questions I might have searched for... that was a nice warm welcome from Mr. Severns!
I've witnessed many other first timers in that folder being given the same blunt chastization. Searching can be an awesome tool, but it can also be exceptionally time consuming trying to wade through hundreds of posts trying to find that small kernel of information you need. That was the first of several times I butted heads with Severns. Severns often bluntly rebuffs recurring questions or topics in his Dan Wesson folder - must be one reason why there is so little activity there. Let’s face it... the same issues will come up time and time again and new users deserve interactive attention from others who are willing to share... for the moderator to tell every one to simply do a search would turn an interactive forum into a simple, DEAD QUIET LIBRARY!) To his credit, he has offered much excellent advice as well and shared his knowledge there - which I and others have appreciated.
Anyway, recently I made a statement in response to a new poster who was having chambering problems. Here was the statement and the response from Mr. Noclue.
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Originally Posted by DHart
No doubt... sure can't blame the gun makers for shooter's improperly spec'd reloads! But the short leade is an issue you'd think DW would get on top of in the first place... I have the impression it would save them so much in returns, re-works, and overall bad press! But perhaps they feel that making corrections after the fact is less costly to them than making sure things are right in the first place. How do you determine the cost of bad press? Who knows, maybe it's just not that big a deal to them... they'll sell all their production in any event. And they make the gun buyer pay for return shipping, which saves them about $40-$60 on each return for warranty problems. If they had to step up to the plate and pay for shipping like some of the majors do (Colt, S&W, Springfield), perhaps they'd do a little more to make sure the guns are reliable from the get go.
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Noklue3
Admin
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Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Ohio
Age: 56
Posts: 4,264
Dhart:
Ya know,
I'm tired of reading about this stuff from you. You have re-hashed it so many times, it's not funny.
Accept it or not.
DW CHARGES SHIPPING!
THE CHAMBERS ARE TIGHT AND THAT CAUSES SOME BREAKING IN PROBLEMS!
Like it, don't like it, that's the way it is. Continually bringing it up and continually complaining about it in a round about way or straight out is not going to change it.
Knock it off.
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I made an apology to Noklue which he promptly deleted and then banned me.
Anyway... none of this is a big deal really, as my involvement with that forum had run it’s course of many years anyway. And I enjoy spending time on quite a number of different gun, photography, and Harley Davidson forums.
The reason for my post here is because I thought some of my friends on the 1911Forum might wonder WHY I’m not posting there anymore. Now you know the reason.
I do still visit the 1911Forum from time to time to peruse some topics of interest, but won’t be sharing comments or photos there. This is the time of year when my photography business gets really busy and I tend not to spend much time on forums now anyway. Of course I’ll be in touch with my friends from the 1911Forum through many of the other wonderful gun forums we all enjoy: M1911Forum, HighRoad, FiringLine, GlockTalk, CombatCarry, MP Pistol Forum, LTW, WarriorTalk, Tactical Forums, S&WForum, etc. SO, I’ll see ya all there, my friends! Enjoy this gorgeous Spring!
Here’s what happened. I am a Dan Wesson Razorback owner (and had a lot of problems with my gun as many new DW owners have also experienced) and I had been critical of Dan Wesson’s policy of making the customer pay for shipping to the factory for warranty problems (costs the user about $50-60 to send the gun for repairs to make it run as it should have run in the first place.) I’m a supporter of what DW is trying to do (build a well spec’d 1911 and sell it for a moderate price!) However, I had commented a number of times (in different threads and response to different posters) about how the majors (Colt, S&W, Springfield, etc.) responsibly pay for shipping BOTH ways on warranty work but DW does not.
Over time, it seemed that nearly every time I checked into the Dan Wesson folder (which is a very quiet, slow moving folder anyway), there was a new Dan Wesson buyer who was having jams, poor reliability, premature lock backs, FTF’s, etc. Many of these issues could easily be corrected if the factory tended to chamber specs, slide lock adjustments, and fitment issues. To their credit, I think DW service tries hard to rectify the problems, but it seemed to me a little more prevention on their part would be worth pounds of cure and bad press.
I felt the frustration of these new buyers who experienced the same reliability problems with their Dan Wessons (as I did myself with my DW Razorback) and commented on that fact a little too much for the liking of the two mods (Noklue and Severns), who seem to have an especially low tolerance for anything in their Dan Wesson folder which doesn’t quite suit their agenda. (For example, I was promptly chastized the first time I visited that folder for asking questions I might have searched for... that was a nice warm welcome from Mr. Severns!
I've witnessed many other first timers in that folder being given the same blunt chastization. Searching can be an awesome tool, but it can also be exceptionally time consuming trying to wade through hundreds of posts trying to find that small kernel of information you need. That was the first of several times I butted heads with Severns. Severns often bluntly rebuffs recurring questions or topics in his Dan Wesson folder - must be one reason why there is so little activity there. Let’s face it... the same issues will come up time and time again and new users deserve interactive attention from others who are willing to share... for the moderator to tell every one to simply do a search would turn an interactive forum into a simple, DEAD QUIET LIBRARY!) To his credit, he has offered much excellent advice as well and shared his knowledge there - which I and others have appreciated. Anyway, recently I made a statement in response to a new poster who was having chambering problems. Here was the statement and the response from Mr. Noclue.
======================
Quote:
Originally Posted by DHart
No doubt... sure can't blame the gun makers for shooter's improperly spec'd reloads! But the short leade is an issue you'd think DW would get on top of in the first place... I have the impression it would save them so much in returns, re-works, and overall bad press! But perhaps they feel that making corrections after the fact is less costly to them than making sure things are right in the first place. How do you determine the cost of bad press? Who knows, maybe it's just not that big a deal to them... they'll sell all their production in any event. And they make the gun buyer pay for return shipping, which saves them about $40-$60 on each return for warranty problems. If they had to step up to the plate and pay for shipping like some of the majors do (Colt, S&W, Springfield), perhaps they'd do a little more to make sure the guns are reliable from the get go.
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Noklue3
Admin
*
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Ohio
Age: 56
Posts: 4,264
Dhart:
Ya know,
I'm tired of reading about this stuff from you. You have re-hashed it so many times, it's not funny.
Accept it or not.
DW CHARGES SHIPPING!
THE CHAMBERS ARE TIGHT AND THAT CAUSES SOME BREAKING IN PROBLEMS!
Like it, don't like it, that's the way it is. Continually bringing it up and continually complaining about it in a round about way or straight out is not going to change it.
Knock it off.
==================
I made an apology to Noklue which he promptly deleted and then banned me.
Anyway... none of this is a big deal really, as my involvement with that forum had run it’s course of many years anyway. And I enjoy spending time on quite a number of different gun, photography, and Harley Davidson forums.
The reason for my post here is because I thought some of my friends on the 1911Forum might wonder WHY I’m not posting there anymore. Now you know the reason.
I do still visit the 1911Forum from time to time to peruse some topics of interest, but won’t be sharing comments or photos there. This is the time of year when my photography business gets really busy and I tend not to spend much time on forums now anyway. Of course I’ll be in touch with my friends from the 1911Forum through many of the other wonderful gun forums we all enjoy: M1911Forum, HighRoad, FiringLine, GlockTalk, CombatCarry, MP Pistol Forum, LTW, WarriorTalk, Tactical Forums, S&WForum, etc. SO, I’ll see ya all there, my friends! Enjoy this gorgeous Spring!
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