To Tru Oil, or to not, Tru Oil... That is the question!

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I've never been able to get a perfect finish with tru oil. either I put on too many coats and it starts to get a little lumpy, or i get little pieces of lint or dust motes from the air on it, or I 0000 steel wool it to a dull finish but have a couple pores that didn't quite fill and remain as shiny spots. wet sanding helps.

that said, I've done 5 rifles and a set of 1911 grips and it works pretty well. just not perfect. It's probably me and not the product though. And it's not armor for the wood. it still scratches and dints easily.
 
I've never been able to get a perfect finish with tru oil. either I put on too many coats and it starts to get a little lumpy, or i get little pieces of lint or dust motes from the air on it, or I 0000 steel wool it to a dull finish but have a couple pores that didn't quite fill and remain as shiny spots.
These are all application problems and not a product problem.
it still scratches and dints easily.
I would not say it scratches easily but I agree that it(or any other finish)isn't armor.
 
dont use dura coat of you want to use Powder blast cleaner. These cleaners are designed to remove plastic wad fouling from shotgun barrels, and they most certainly will strip dura coat paint because it is polymer based. Ask me how I know.
 
These cleaners are designed to remove plastic wad fouling from shotgun barrels, and they most certainly will strip dura coat paint because it is polymer based. Ask me how I know.

Mshootnit, How in the world would you ever know that??? :D

Thanks for the info guys, keep it coming!

Great info so far.

Mike
 
I like the modified Tung Oils like the Formby's that someone mentioned earlier. These are Tung Oils blended with other compounds, and they give nice hand-rubbed finishes. Tung Oil finishes are also incredible hard. I find them harder than BLO finishes when cured properly. Plus the finish is "in" the wood, and not just "on" the wood. That makes fixing scratches and scuffs much easier.

I like the Tung better than BLO because BLO takes weeks to get right. Tung Oils can usually be applied at the rate of one coat a night, let dry, then steel-wooled and re-coated the next night.

Besides, read the BLO application instructions in the other thread; it's voodoo, brother. "first, get a cup of warm chicken blood and mix it with 2 parts moon beams and 3 parts tarantula venom, then rub that into the heels of your hands until your nose runs..." You get the idea. For the expert voodoo priests, the BLO gives an awesome finish in a year's time. I don't want to work on a single gun stock until the next waxing blood-moon, and I'm not a voodoo priest, so I stick to TO, it's tougher IMHO, and simpler.

Lastly, that Weatherby's finish is gloss polyurethane, an "on" the wood finish. You'll never match it with TO. If that's what you want, spray urethane on the stock. The downside to those finishes is that they are a nightmare to fix if you scratch or chip the urethane finish. The urethane does tolerate MOST cleaning solvents pretty well though.

Just my 1.5 cent's worth. Inflation, you know.
KR
 
I like Formby's tung oil finish, it takes a bit longer than TruOil to dry before appling the next coat but it goes on easier and smooths out better for me.

This 40X stock was done with over 30 coats of Formby's.
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Well, here's an old time brew.

Take a 1 gallon paint can.

1 quart turpentine.

1 quart linseed oil.

1 quart tung oil.

And a piece of beeswax the size of my fist.

Mix them together and just let it brew;

The beeswax takes a few days.

We always called it "Juice"


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I use it but prefer to use it to clean up old finishes.
Have you used it to knock some of the gloss down when using tru oil? If not I may try the rottenstone meathod.

Thanks for the info guys, keep it coming!
No problem. I've done several stocks now using tru oil so maybe I can give you a few suggestions. It sucks to learn the hard way. That's why I was asking about the stock sheen. I have always just left the glossy finish and was happy with the out come but for the garand I would still like the grain to look "deep" yet with some sort of a satin finish.

OK so my suggestions. I am not saying they are right and I'm sure some will disagree but this is what has worked for me so far, but I am still learning more every time.

First and most of all be patient. If you want it to look good don't rush it, each step takes time, time to properly prepare, apply and let dry. Do it right or you won't be happy with it. I think all of my stocks have came out pretty good just some took longer than others from fixing mistakes or redoing something that didn't look right.

Don't sand the old finish off, use some sort of cleaner, I use oven cleaner and the dishwasher and have had no problems. The hot water may cause the wood to swell and crack from what I have heard but it has not happened to me so far. The first stock I did I sanded it off and it took forever and I still didn't get all the old stain out until I ran it through the dishwasher. I also didn't really know what I was doing and rounded off some corners a bit too much and dulled the checkering a little. I think the dishwasher also helps with getting some dings out of the wood, if you choose not to use a dishwasher you can use a hot iron and a wet wash rag to raise some dents back up.

Like I stated before, cut the tru oil with mineral spirits for several coats. I think it helps it get deeper into the grain and it is also easier to apply and doesn't get "tacky" as quickly. It also doesn't run as bad because you simply cannot slap too much on with out noticing runs. I think the problem people have with runs it that they can't tell that they put too much on, the tru oil is so thick it may look fine as soon as your done putting it on but a few minutes later after it has settled the runs start to build up.

Next would be how to apply, I started by using my fingers or the palm of my hand but I always seem to get it everywhere and I swear I could just look at it and it would get finger prints or smears somewhere. Next I tried clothes, I used several different ones, old t-shirts, microfiber wax applicators, and linen(old pillow sheet). I get fuzz balls with the first two and the old pillow sheet worked but not a whole lot better than my hand. I also tried paint brushes, the hair type worked OK but seemed to leave lines in the finish. My favorite thing to use now is the el cheapo foam paint brushes from harbor freight. They hold the oil well and if you just use the tip to dip when you get too much oil you can kinda lay the brush down a little to pull up the excess oil with the still dry part of the brush. Also if you get to a dry spot you can smash the sponge down to wick some oil out and keep on trucking with out having to dip again getting too much oil on for one little spot. For checkering I found it's best to just tape it off and do a few light coats with a old or cheap toothbrush. I doesn't' take much tru oil and one or two coats will do, I like using the toothbrush because it keeps the checkering from getting gummed up and if you didn't sand them down like I did the first time they should still look sharp.

Last thing I can think of right now is sanding. I would tape off all checkering with the blue painters tape. I usually start sanding with 150 grit after I strip the old finish with oven cleaner and or dishwasher. When I get the surface imperfections out I use 400 grit to smooth things down before adding stain and or finish. Once I start adding finish I only use wet sand paper using the tru oil/ mineral spirits mix as the wetting agent. I do this on every coat. Once it has been wet sanded I wipe all the old sludge off with a lint free cloth (old sheet or pillow case works good) and put a new coat on to dry overnight. The first four to six coats I use 600grit wet sand and all the rest I use 1200.

Sorry this post is so long but I think getting the right finish is kind of a trial and error sort of thing and every time I do a new stock I find something else I want to do different in the meathod of doing it.

Good luck be sure to take and post a lot of pictures of your progress. Unfortunately with some of the ones I have done I didn't take many pictures. I do have some of my last two and maybe I take a few of the Garand as well as soon as I'm done and put them up here.
 
I used BLO on my first few stocks and on my last one I tried Tru-oil. I'm a convert now. Tru-oil is much easier to work with and gave me far Superior results than BLO. Its dries faster and harder and feels better in your hand once all is said and done.

I put about 8 coats on my last set of AK grips, 0000 steel wool between coats and a light buffing with 0000 on the last coat just enough to knock the shine down. I was hesitant to try the stock sheen only because I had things how I wanted them and wanted to be done with the project.
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Awesome posts and I think I have made up my mind. Well... I know I have. I am going with Tru Oil. I think it will serve me well, especially because I do want a shine.

Smith357,
That is one awesome looking finish.

Fireman 9371,
Love those hand guards too! Nice work!

Everyone else,
Thank you for so much useful information. I am sure this will not be my last new stock that I do. I have learned loads of things from all of your trial and error. Thank you for helping me avoid some of the errors.

I am going to apply my first coat right now. I have my Oil mixed with mineral spirits in a 50/50 mix and I am going to hand rub it in on this first coat anyway.

Wish me luck!

Mike

Oh BTW, I will try to post pics tomorrow. :)
 
try tom's 1/3 mix. i think the receipe is on the net somewhere just google it.
last i remember its
1/3beeswax
1/3 blo
1/3 thinner
 
To achieve the gloss in the photo you posted I would use Formbys Tung oil. I would plan on about twenty coats with a steel wool rub down between each one.

For a semi gloss finish I would use pure Tung oil using the same technique. This semi-gloss can be toned down by steel wool after the last application.

For a flat oil finish, like a mil-surp, I would use PLO or RLO. BLO was added finish enhancers that give it more of a semi-gloss finish.

One big plus I like about Tung oil is it absorbs into the wood grain and hardens, making the surface resistant to dents and dings. Touch up is super easy, just rub some Tung oil over your scratch and it well vanish.

If I was lazy and wanted a semi-gloss I would use Tru-oil.

Birchwood Casey's Stock Sheen product?
It's A silicon based cleaner that well leave some what of a shine. Can't beat plain old Carnauba wax.

just my .02 and YMMV.
 
If I was lazy and wanted a semi-gloss I would use Tru-oil.
That would depend on your technique not the product you use. Gloss,semi gloss or satin all depends on whether you "softened" the finish after it dried or polished it to make it shine. NONE of it is for a "lazy" man. Glossy shine takes the least work(except that it takes the most coats).
This semi-gloss can be toned down by steel wool after the last application.
Or a good autobody buffing compound (fine grit) works well IF you use restraint and have MANY coats of finish.
 
I applied 1 coat of 50/50 mix of Tru Oil and mineral spirits last night after my final sanding with 2000 grit sand paper. I was shocked at how dark the wood is. It was a good kind of shocked, but shocked just the same. Just to clear things up. This is a NEW STOCK. It was rough cut and inletted by Richard's Microfit Stocks. So I have never seen any sort of finish on it until last night. That is why I was happily shocked.

This morning I found the stock dry and hard. There are very few areas that are shiny. The wood sucked the majority of my first hard rubbed coat in. Although there is not much glossy areas on it, I am going to go ahead and sand it with some 400 and then 1000 grit sand paper before reapplying another coat. I will wet sand it for both grits with the 50/50 mixture, just to bring out that deep look again.

Just for the record. Finishing a stock could never be accomplished by a "LAZY" man. It is a thankless job and a true labor of love. A lazy man would not have even finished the sanding and shaping part of the job! I have over 50 hours into the sanding part alone, and I suspect that I will have at least 40 more in the "Oiling" alone. Not to mention that I also had to pillar bed it and glass bed it too.

This has been the most gratifying "Hard Work" I have ever done. I have 2 mistakes, that I can't fix right now, but I will when I do my next stock for my sporterized (not by me) M1917, which is next.

You all had great input, and I certainly appreciate all of it!

Thank you!

Mike

If you would like to see my picture album of this project so far, here is the link. Mike's Weatherby Vanguard Pictures
 
Thanks Fireman!

I sanded with 400 and then again with the 1000 and then applied another thinned coat yesterday. It is dry and starting to have some depth to it. I will be applying another coat today, but this time it will be 100% Tru Oil. There is one ding that I found yesterday while sanding. I must have bumped it against something before applying the first coat. it is not very deep or very big, so I am hoping I can cover it by sanding over the Tru Oil with a sanding block while filling the holes with the oil.

Do you think that will work?

Mike
 
Yeah, that looks great.

Wait till you get three or four more coats on it and I bet that grain will really start to come out.
 
dont use dura coat of you want to use Powder blast cleaner. These cleaners are designed to remove plastic wad fouling from shotgun barrels, and they most certainly will strip dura coat paint because it is polymer based. Ask me how I know.

If this happened to you then you did not prepare the surface correctly. Dura Coat is chemical resistant. I have rifles that I painted 4 years ago that I use harsh cleaners on and they are fine.;)
 
Looking good Mike keep going!

I picked up some of Birchwood Casey's stock sheen today to use on the Garand. I still need a few more coats of tru oil to get it where I want it but when I'm done I will post some picks so you can see the end result to decide if you want to use that or another meathod.
 
I read advice not to use oils on gun stocks. They will become tacky. He says wood needs nothing but wax.

Just one quote from Sitka Deer.

"Why would you need to rub a stock down with solvents? Wax is a good thing on stocks for a bunch of tested and proven reasons. Even if the product has some wax it is not going to be the best way to get the most possible wax on the wood."

http://http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/3880752/Searchpage/1/Main/296407/Words/Sitka+deer/Search/true/Re_Bringing_out_the_grain_in_w#Post3880752
 
Hub,

I would love to see your Garand when you have it completed. I would really love to see what the Stock Sheen product does. I hope it works out for you the way you want it to.

Savage99 wriote:
"Why would you need to rub a stock down with solvents? Wax is a good thing on stocks for a bunch of tested and proven reasons. Even if the product has some wax it is not going to be the best way to get the most possible wax on the wood."

Interesting! A process I may think about for the future as it is far too late for my current project. I would like to learn more, so if you could fix the link that would be great. The link above takes me to a Yahoo search page.

Thanks though!

Mike
 
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