Today's "Open Carry March" in Cincy

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Oh, and that (shaking up those in power) is of course why the panthers were there too. They've got almost a half century of doing just that under their belts, and a good portion of that spent fighting for the right of black people to Keep and Bear Arms. Superficially, an alliance there might not seem like an obvious fit. But for media reasons that might be a reason to make one happen. All just IMO. Boyd Kneeland
 
What Tim is saying is that (almost) every time we have done this, the bad guys have attempted to mount a defense.

Just be prepared and act accordingly.

Rick
 
Walks like these unite people around the cause of freedom, they wake people up to the potential of their own votes and they will shake politicians who think that they wield the reins of society down to their very cores. Wake up! And be happy that people are waking up and showing up for these kinds of excellent events!

Waking up? I'd hardly call 50 pro-gun people waking up. These were likely the same people who've worked day in , day out over the past several years trying to push this through the legislature.

Where were the "regular" gunnies?

It's been my experience, and I believe that in most cases AzRickD will agree, that it's the same people doing all the work, showing up at all the rallies, etc. ad nauseum. This is why it will disappear after a short time, and the politicos know it.

AzRickD, how many folks from Phoenix showed up at the legislature during the hearings for our first attempt to have clean preemption passed? About 30, would you say? And about 5-8 of them were from Tucson (2 hour drive). How many showed up the second time (after our first attempt was defeated)?

Who's been willing to sponsor this legislation this time (besides Ken)? Nope, not even you or me.

The anti's know they've time on their side...our folks have lives, jobs, etc. We go at it hard, hoping to change things right away based on the righteousness of our cause, the clarity of the Constitution (state and national) and the supposedly unambiguousness of the law.

A few pimp-slaps from the court (like OH just got) and the True Believers get disheartened and see the process for the sham that it is.

Out of curisousity, how close to retirement are the two OH justices who voted in favor of CCW as being Constitutional?

When you play on their court, the game is rigged...no matter what happens, government always wins. You need to take the fight to your turf, not play the game, or play the game such that the government doesn't know you're playing the game.

Since judges are elected / retained / whatever, they too have to play the political game, especially if they want to advance from a simple Municipal or Superior Court bench. Just look at the crap Bush's nominees to the federal bench are getting. You don't think that happens on a local level?

Since judges are elected, prosecutors are elected, there are automatically 2 government employees working against you, regardless of the supposed independence of the judiciary. Yes, there are exceptions, but those prove the rule, IMO.
 
I guess I just don't get it. If we are doomed, why are we posting here? You don't seem to think there are any options... should I be spending the 50 bucks I month I send to my ISP on hemlock?
Boyd (not planning on that, but curious about the plan here) Kneeland
 
this sort of thing needs

to be done in every state that does not have open and concealed carry.
RKBA means carry anyway you dang please!
you don't need a permit to right a letter or carry a Bible! carrying
guns is a right granted by God not the state.
we need to do this in CA/NY
 
Tim, please forget I asked the question ; )
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Waking up? I'd hardly call 50 pro-gun people waking up. These were likely the same people who've worked day in , day out over the past several years trying to push this through the legislature.
Where were the "regular" gunnies?
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Re "50 people": I was doing a bit of fire for effect because I personally know what it's like to work in a political movement where people only see the worst of what's going on and never acknowledge the victories. Those 50 people were a -victory- because they had good media effect. When the battle for our countries independence was begun, far fewer then 10 percent of the colonists supported the cause, at the peak of the civil war battles it was around 13% actively involved. Those 50 people represent the 10 percent who get out and accomplish stuff, they are the point of the spear that turns social trends around. And throwing cold water on their efforts, rather then lauding the good they did, is no service IMHO.
Live I've said, we don't have to be realistic to the point of smacking ourselves around for doing good. We can take a minute to be glad for the good we do. And getting 50 intelligible representatives of our cause out in front of cameras showing the other 90% the good that CCW can do is something worth celebrating a little. Sorry if you don't see it that way.

-Boyd Kneeland, Second Amendment Foundation Director of Communications, NRA Election Volunteer Coordinator Wa-08, Washington Arms Collectors Board member, NRA instructor and pragmatic grass roots activist.
 
You'll have to forgive Tim. He's a political war horse whose glass is often half-empty.

Carry on.

Rick
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The Ohio activists have begun to contact the bureaucrats for a dialog on the law.

Here is one such report:
Holy smokes!! I just got off the phone with the city law director (Hamilton City), and I was pleasantly surprised, in fact I'd say I was shocked!

She said she was perfectly aware of open carry being completely legal in Ohio, and that the police Chief, whom I am still waiting to talk to, was completely aware of his constitutional and legal obligations to the people of Hamilton, and assured me he would echo exactly what she was telling me.

She said that she couldn't gaurantee me an officer wouldn't approach me, if a citizen called 911 for example. But once he/she knew I was just walking down the street, there would be absolutely no problem.

She did bring up something I have never heard of though. A private citizen could bring a warrant against me (???), which is a criminal charge, not a civil one (I asked), and depending upon the evidence, and the prosecutor, I could be charged with a crime. This would involve a court case, but so long as I was innocent of any wrong doing, a conviction (for what I dunno) would be unlikely.

So at the worst, your looking at a private citizen pressing charges, which would involve a court case, but no conviction. AT THE WORST. I think it is very unlikely many people even know about this ability (I didn't), and are more likely to call 911, and be relieved when an officer gives everything a look over.

I honestly don't go out of the house often except commuting to and from work, and jogging 3 times a week. Staring today though, I am carrying openly.
 
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