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CraigC
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Still boggles the mind how Jay, one who has only been shooting for a year, completely refuses the instruction from professionals. I reckon know-it-alls who won't listen get on my nerves more than most. Can't decide who's more irritating to watch shoot, Jay with his teacup or Craig Boddington with whatever he calls himself doing. George and his arrogance is starting to get irritating too. At least it's better than one of those housewives shows. 
I like Jaimie though and he's taking home at least $4000 in Bass Pro gift cards.
I like Jaimie though and he's taking home at least $4000 in Bass Pro gift cards.
CraigC
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No idea how it double-posted.
I think you have to understand his golf instructor background. In golf, you don't make changes to your swing in or just before competition. It's the wrong time to try something new, you need to rely on what GOT YOU THERE. Practice sessions, not competition, are the places for swing changes and experimentation. As a competitive golfer, this mentality is simply engrained I suspect.
In a sense, I think he's right. If he "tries" to use the new techniques and he fails, he could easily get so confused and messed up that he won't be able to successfully perform his techniques anymore either.
I agree that he's annoying (although, I suspect that the show's editing is making him out to be that way perhaps more than he really is). BUT, I have to give him credit for being ballsy enough to say "no thanks" to the changes each professional is recommending because last time I checked, he's still there!
Many of the other "professionally trained" competitors are gone. He does seem to have some natural talent, like him or not.
I have to agree with this too. Under the stress of competition isn't the place you want to be making changes to your technique. He might not have said it well...maybe it was just edited like that...but what he was asking was that they show him how to shoot faster, using the grip he already had.cskny said:
Jay has the uncanny ability to consistently adapt his technique to different weapons. They might not be the most efficient techniques, but he can perform them consistently and he isn't cracking under the pressure like some of the others....yes I am taking editing into account too.
Interesting sidebar: After the show wrapped, Jay took some instruction for both JJ and Chris Tilly and completely changed his grip to something more modern. His problem was that the first range master he approached about instruction...either didn't know how to instruct or was awed by his shooting ability...told him to just keep doing what he was doing, because he was hitting so well.
Sounds like a case of, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" not working out so well
KodiakBeer
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The Air Force guy George, is getting amusing. He keeps "sniping" at the Navy guy as if the navy isn't real combat, like the Air Force. Somehow, I suspect George has no background other than some training.
Gouranga
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I really agree with Jay on this. Yeah the instructors are giving him good advice. He should really change up his form. However, you are in the middle of a serious competition. Changing up one of the basic fundamentals of your shooting in the middle of it and trying to establish new muscle memory, etc is a good way to lose.
I suspect once this competition was over, he switched up his style big time. Don't get me wrong I am in the Anti-Jay club, he is a good adaptive shooter but his personality just irks me.
Gouranga
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Yeah. I think if Jamie can hold on a bit longer he will win out on the red team. Sooner or later it is going to be a "look out for yourself" competition once the teams shrink a little more. Thanks to his team, he is already there and he will already have that mindset. Though the red team is really rock solid.
A couple guys on the blue team though, they have serious issues under pressure. It showed a bit last night too. Though they won, there were 2 shooters who really seemed to weave a bit
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In golf, there are minor swing adjustments made EVERY shot (especially if you are a competitive golfer). Some golfers go through multiple grip and/or swing changes within a year so I feel that Jay should be understanding in listening to a professional and more able than most to change on the fly and still be successful. After all, I'm sure he gives golf lessons and expects his students to listen to his advise given his "expertise".
IMO, he is just too stuck-up for his own good and thinks he knows how to do everything better....
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IMO jay should have at least tried a couple shots with the proper grip. Then if he's not hitting just go back to the tea cup. I guess it didn't matter because he still shot solid, in fact I've seen people shoot decent using the cup and saucer grip. They just can't handle recoil at all so follow up shots are slow. You're almost shooting one handed.
Yea George is arrogant and narrow minded. I hope he gets a large helping of humble pie soon. A lot people who aren't ex marines can shoot really good. For him to talk about not knowing jamies background just kind of shows his narrowmindedness.
Yea George is arrogant and narrow minded. I hope he gets a large helping of humble pie soon. A lot people who aren't ex marines can shoot really good. For him to talk about not knowing jamies background just kind of shows his narrowmindedness.
CraigC
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Yes but you also have to remember that he's only been shooting a year. It's not the same as asking a lifelong shooter with years of experience and muscle memory to change what works for him. Now is the time for him to break his bad habits and he has some. Jay is still a neophyte and should at least be more open to professional instruction. I've been shooting all my life and take all the help I can get.
Jim Watson
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And where is the shooting to that?
speaksoftly
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I'm curious as to how many people would agree with Jay had he lost the competition. Also, I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of shooter be becomes once he's out of competing and back into training mode.
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George destroys deer in the woods with a bow. He annihilates clay pigeons with a shotgun. He wrecks a targets with his service rifle. Apparently he is an expert on figuring out people who "suck at life".
"dude, I don't know what you do in the Navy"
"I don't know what your background is in the Navy"
"He is in the Navy and doesn't have any combat experience like me"
Hey, didn't you just say several times you don't know his background? How bout you just keep your mouth shut?
What a gleaming example of humanity...
I take all of the personality stuff with a HUGE grain of salt. I know they're looking for "characters" to make the non-shooting aspects of the show interesting to those who wouldn't watch it purely for the competitions.
Personally, I can't fault Jay too much for not changing his grip. Utilizing a new grip in a high-pressure situation rarely works. Most people will simply revert back to what they're comfortable with. Even if Jay had tried a few shots with a new grip ... what do you suppose would have happened when he started shooting at plates during the competition?
My guess is George has been edited to come off as a "gleaming example of humanity" much like Jay has been edited to come off as arrogant. Once again ... grain of salt.
I had higher hopes for Ashley, but I thought I saw weakness in his eyes (could have been editing) during this week's competition that I hadn't seen before. His mental game seemed to fall apart during his last round of shooting at the plates.
Personally, I can't fault Jay too much for not changing his grip. Utilizing a new grip in a high-pressure situation rarely works. Most people will simply revert back to what they're comfortable with. Even if Jay had tried a few shots with a new grip ... what do you suppose would have happened when he started shooting at plates during the competition?
My guess is George has been edited to come off as a "gleaming example of humanity" much like Jay has been edited to come off as arrogant. Once again ... grain of salt.
I had higher hopes for Ashley, but I thought I saw weakness in his eyes (could have been editing) during this week's competition that I hadn't seen before. His mental game seemed to fall apart during his last round of shooting at the plates.
Cal-gun Fan
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I don't like Jay's talk about "Don't teach me how to shoot, teach me how to shoot faster". See, what he didn't seem to get was that shooting RIGHT would help him shoot much faster.
George's personality, be it real or played up, bugs me and bugs the hell out of my dad (Navy). The guy is ripped and he shoots alright, but when we know more about Jamie's background than we know about his, and Jamie shoots just fine, I don't think he has any right to be talking. As Air Force, it is unlikely he was in any of the real combat he preaches about. I admire him for having the balls to come out with his feelings about Jamie during the meeting, unlike Chris Reed, who jumped on the Jamie-hating bandwagon right after George said it, or the blue team members who just started voting for Jay during elimination without notifying him or bringing forth their problems.
George's personality, be it real or played up, bugs me and bugs the hell out of my dad (Navy). The guy is ripped and he shoots alright, but when we know more about Jamie's background than we know about his, and Jamie shoots just fine, I don't think he has any right to be talking. As Air Force, it is unlikely he was in any of the real combat he preaches about. I admire him for having the balls to come out with his feelings about Jamie during the meeting, unlike Chris Reed, who jumped on the Jamie-hating bandwagon right after George said it, or the blue team members who just started voting for Jay during elimination without notifying him or bringing forth their problems.
Jay bothers me to death, but at least lately it doesn't seem like he thinks he's the team captain. He is pretty conceited though and that bothers me.
I don't really have any favorites yet except for maybe those who appear to be underdogs...just so they can help humble the rest a little bit.
I don't really have any favorites yet except for maybe those who appear to be underdogs...just so they can help humble the rest a little bit.
That is an interesting combination of reflections as Jay is the ultimate underdog as to both experience and technique
gathert
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Tomorrows episode is the tomahawk one. I've won some local throwing stuff with those tomahawks and it really isnt that hard to do. I even throw them upside down underhanded just for kicks. The main thing I saw them doing wrong on the commercial was they were not putting their thumb on the back of the handle. Think grabbing a baseball bat, but slide your thumb to the handle pointing up. Solves 75% of throwing problems right there.
lizziedog1
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The blowgun competition was interesting. I have never used one, but it looks like it could be fun. Has anyone here tried one?
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