Toughest 9mm brass?

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In your opinion what are some tough 9mm headstamps to use for high pressure loads (like major or +p+)

Also a concern is case concistency for accuracy loads.


The firearm in question will fully support the case and is rated for 65k psi belted magnums
 
I have found CCI 9mm brass to be very tough.
For 9mm target load I've always used Federal brass for no other reason than that I have a lot of once fired Federal from a police range.
 
U.S. Military 9mm brass is some of the toughest, thickest brass you'll find. The FC and WCC brass is great brass for what you intend.

Hope this helps.

Fred
 
WCC NATO gets my vote. I set it apart from my plinking brass for special use.

Isn't this the headstamp you get now with WWB 9mm?

I know the last couple of boxes I bought came with a wcc NATO cross headstamp instead of the old "win 9mm"
 
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Isn't this the headstamp you get now with WWB 9mm?

I know the last couple of boxes I bought came with a wcc NATO cross headstamp instead of the old "win 9mm"
Sometimes, but not always. "Infrequently" is probably how I would describe it. When I was shooting WWB and saving brass before I started reloading, I'd guess 10% of what I saved was WCC NATO.
 
WCC Nato. The brass is even sturdier than "WIN", but it is crimped.

At MY local ranges, 9mm WWB of 100 loose rounds now uses wcc Nato brass. This is why I've started chamfering the crimps out and reloading them. I loaded over 100 today.
WIN cases are are getting scarcer here. I 'think' the WWB of "50" (with the styrofoam liner) is still "WIN" brass..
 
You may want to consider steel cases if you are heading into the 65k psi range. ;)

Otherwise, I suggest Starline.
 
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I have to agree WCC military brass is very tough and if you can't get a hold of any Win commercial brass is almost as tough. I have found CCI/Speer brass to be tough too...
 
I just did a little weighing and sorting and I'll post some comprehensive numbers later but suffice to say WCC is the heaviest brass if weight is any indication of strength.

Its also appearant that wcc and WIN is not the same piece of brass with different stamps


You may want to consider steel cases if you are heading into the 65k psi range. ;)

Otherwise, I suggest Starline.

LOL the one thread where Clark's input would be welcome and he's nowhere to be seen.

I won't be taking things all the way to 65k hopefully but I may go in that direction far enough that small rifle primers are warranted
 
As you've found out, WCC and Win headstamped brass are not the same. NATO spec brass is heavier in construction, since it has to function in both pistols and submachine guns.

Hope this helps.

Fred
 
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I push 9mm to close to double loads in experiments.

I use new RP to keep the experiments under control. I don't know how they rank.
The RP, RP +P, and RP +P+ are all the same and have the same threshold of loose primer pockets and the same threshold of case bulge over the same feed ramp.


I do know...
In 9x23, Starline is not as strong as Win.
In 7.62x25, Starline is not as strong as S&B.
 
s and b is good especially late military style cbc (magteck) is also pretty tough 9mm. I would watch win brass as there is an occasional liength issue but I would trust thr nato stamped stuff . r-p brass may be a little thin at the feed ramp aeria.
 
I'm curious as to the shooting application where one would want/need to exceed published maximums for 9mm reloading, particularly with a suppressed weapon??
 
I'm curious as to the shooting application where one would want/need to exceed published maximums for 9mm reloading,
9mm Major

particularly with a suppressed weapon??
Hmmm...this could be interesting. I'm guessing he'd like to use the heaviest .355 bullet he can find and make it go right about 1,100 fps. That may be a bit above normal 9x19 pistol capabilities and data.
 
9mm Major

Hmmm...this could be interesting. I'm guessing he'd like to use the heaviest .355 bullet he can find and make it go right about 1,100 fps. That may be a bit above normal 9x19 pistol capabilities and data.

Bingo

158 or 180 grain cast resized to .356" Kieth style swc 1100fps = silent small deer n hog eradication.

That and when you have a 65k psi rated 9mm why not stretch its legs a bit.
 
When I reload a mixed bunch of 9mm cases I can tell without looking which ones are Winchester or S&W stamped cases. Little resistance when resizing or bullet loading. The ones that offer the most resistance are Rem, Fed, and Norma.
I assume that this means the Win cases have thinner walls that allow them to stretch easier. Therefore, I don't reload hot loads in these cases.

I may be wrong IF the easy stretching is due to a more elastic case because of annealing differences.
 
Standard and +P brass is the same. Brass isn't strong enough to withstand the pressures of any cartridge, all you need to see is a round that's gone off before chambering. The steel chamber contains the pressure, the brass holds the charge and the bullet and acts as a 'gasket" in the chamber so don't think selection of a case is going to allow you to load at higher pressures safely.

It is a mistake to think that pressure is the only factor in bullet velocity. The powder burn rate and how the pressure is released over time is more significant than simply the amount of peak pressure generated.

If you want to duplicate commercial and LEO +p and +P+ velocities then that can generally be done by proper selection powder type and charge generally without exceeding peak standard SAAMI pressure.

A good example of this is the Federal 9PPLE load that is a +P+ rated 115gr round. Advertised by Federal/ATK this round sends the bullet out the muzzle of a 4" barrel at 1,300 fps at the muzzle. Real life measurements are often a bit less and from a Glock 19 most report 1,230 to 1,250 fps. The lower velocity could be attributed to different temperature and elevations and distance to the chronograph. Regardless the numbers are what they are.

Using Remingotn 115gr bulk bullets I've loaded behind 6.0 grs of Unique I get an average velocity of 1,257 fps and current data states that max load for 115gr JHP is 6.3grs with a "book" velocity of 1,300 fps at pressures less than SAAMI standard maximum for the same velocity as Federals +P+.

I know people love to brag about loading the +P, +P+ or extra velocity but don't fall in love with the +P or +P+ label. Its the speed at which the bullet leaves the muzzle that counts and how much peak pressure the cartridge produces isn't the most important factor in getting that velocity. Remember too that you can reduce the effectiveness of a good bullet by pushing it beyond its optimum velocity. High velocity doesn't guarantee better performance.
 
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