ECVMatt
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I have a similar guide gun and would not trade it for the world. I think you scored! Mine is scary accurate, beautiful to admire, and trim in the hand. You are going to love that rifle.
Traded my Five-seveN and ammo for this beautiful Marlin!
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I’ve got a 1895M that’s real similar, it’s chambered in 450 Marlin and is ported but other than that they seem identical. It’s one of my favorite rifles I’ve ever owned. Wouldn’t trade it for anything.
Riomouse911
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Sweet! You won that trade.
My 1895G is a factory ported model. Lots of fun to shoot with trapdoor and moderate loads. Once you get to thumper country, the recoil starts to get painful.
Let us know how it shoots once you get a chance.
Stay safe.
My 1895G is a factory ported model. Lots of fun to shoot with trapdoor and moderate loads. Once you get to thumper country, the recoil starts to get painful.
Let us know how it shoots once you get a chance.
Stay safe.
Skylerbone
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Don’t look at it as having given up $100, think of it as trading for a better firearm with less ammo. When the other guy is done blasting away his spoils, he’ll be the proverbial SUV at the pump while your reloading for a classic gas sipper.
You lucked into a peach of a rifle while trading off something you didn’t seem to want. That’s always reason enough to make a move.
You lucked into a peach of a rifle while trading off something you didn’t seem to want. That’s always reason enough to make a move.
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Yeah I will be ordering Hornady dies and an Evolution Gun Works picatinny rail along with a shell holder when I get paid at the end of the month. The only thing is trying to decide what bullets I want lol. I could just go with Hornady 325gr FTX for good all around shooting but I see Nosler makes a 300gr Silvertip bullet so I'm tempted to get a box to test out. That lubalox stuff is supposed to be kraut space magic lol. And those bullet weights are good for accurate 2200 and what's funny is that I can basically take my 458 Socom data and just add like 13gr or so and that's what the 45-70 load data is lol. That's just a generalization, I of course will be following published data! P.S. can I use "modern rifle" loads in my Marlin? Cause I see "Lever action" and "modern rifles" on Hodgdens website, I would think the newer made1895s would be stronger than an OG 1895 but idk.Sweet! You won that trade.
My 1895G is a factory ported model. Lots of fun to shoot with trapdoor and moderate loads. Once you get to thumper country, the recoil starts to get painful.
Let us know how it shoots once you get a chance.
Stay safe.
OP
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Yeah I traded for that Five-seveN on a whim and I never even shot the thing lol. So yeah I'd rather have a gorgeous lever action 45-70 with big chungus bullets lol. And I'm more of a 45acp and 40S&W pistol guy myself so I didn't really ever carry it, especially cause I could never find a decent IWB holster for a somewhat reasonable price lol. Oh well now I need to get a horse and saddle lol. What funny is my podunk town in Oklahoma isn't really that podunk but I have seen some guy take his horse to our local Braums (they have burgers mainly, locally made fresh milk/ice cream, and a small grocery store inside), no lie. That's some Okie stuff for sure, lol.
someguy2800
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Lever action loads. “Modern rifle” loads are for stuff like ruger #1 and browning B78’s.
I would suggest trying some cast bullet loads. My favorite load is a 350 or 405 grain hard cast over trailboss. Just set the powder dispenser so I fills the case up to where the base of the bullet is. That nets me 1250 fps with a 350 and absolutely everyone loves to shoot it. Like a 12 gauge trap load for recoil.
I would suggest trying some cast bullet loads. My favorite load is a 350 or 405 grain hard cast over trailboss. Just set the powder dispenser so I fills the case up to where the base of the bullet is. That nets me 1250 fps with a 350 and absolutely everyone loves to shoot it. Like a 12 gauge trap load for recoil.
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Just a heads up that some of those early Marlins have difficulty feeding FTX type bullets. In some cases you have to replace the magazine follower for the rifle to work reliably. I shoot more traditional bullets out of mine so I did not experience it but a friend with the same vintage rifle had to change his follower to shoot Leverevolution.
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Ok I have seen some gas checked cast lead bullets on Midway USA so I may get some of those too. I'll have to look in my manuals for loads and decide which bullets to get cause I may not have the appropriate powder on hand.
Riomouse911
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I shoot a lot of 350 to 550 gr RNFP coated lead bullets powered by IMR 3031 or 4198 through the 1895G and 1895CB. I keep these at Trapdoor velocity/pressure and they’re accurate and a hoot to shoot.
ACME makes a nice variety of .458 bullets for the .45/70.
Stay safe.
someguy2800
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No need for a gas check bullet unless you are loading them to atomic levels.
Give one of these a try.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2046111860?pid=425419
https://www.gtbullets.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=12&products_id=72
this one would be a great bullet for full power loads
https://www.gtbullets.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=12&products_id=48
The Lyman manual has a lot of load data for cast bullets. I can send you some pics from their manual if that would be helpful
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You know, I do need to get the 51st edition Lyman manual... I'll add that to my shopping cart lol. And I've heard the gas checks help with keeping leading down even at low velocity? If that is true should I just get normal lead bullets and keep them low velocity? Cause I'd probably get copper jacket 300gr and lead 400+gr.
P.S. where in the world are y'all finding Trailboss??? I keep hearing it's a wonder powder but I have literally never seen it, even at the multiple gun shows we go to.
someguy2800
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leading is generally caused by having a bullet that is too small for the bore, having the wrong hardness, or just pushing them too fast. I like to use gas checked bullets for like 1800+ fps. They don’t hurt anything at lower velocity though if you want to use them. I don’t get any leading at all in my 45/70. It was widely available pre pandemic but I haven’t seen any for awhile. Lots of other suitable powders though.
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I have 2 45-70's, a Henry and a C Sharps. Both great guns. I would love to add a Marlin to the collection. You done real good IMHO!
I looked at lever prices right now, and I was wrong, that was a good trade
MachIVshooter
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Congrats, OP. Regardless of how some view the dollar values, you came away with the better gun.
To that end, a JM 1895G will typically bring more than a Five-seveN these days. It's not an $800 rifle anymore.
Modern 1895s can take pretty stiff loads. I wouldn't push it with my 1900 mfr. original square bolt 1895, but my 1999 mfr. 1895SS has had a steady diet of 405 gr 2,015 FPS H335 loads. No, they're not #1s or Mauser actions, but they ain't weak.
To that end, a JM 1895G will typically bring more than a Five-seveN these days. It's not an $800 rifle anymore.
Modern 1895s can take pretty stiff loads. I wouldn't push it with my 1900 mfr. original square bolt 1895, but my 1999 mfr. 1895SS has had a steady diet of 405 gr 2,015 FPS H335 loads. No, they're not #1s or Mauser actions, but they ain't weak.
JM Marlins have been at a premium around here for quite some time. Certainly not 1800 dollars , but, 1200 , for 357, 44 mag , and 45/70. For whatever reason the 450 Marlin just doesn’t seem popular here. The condition yours is in certainly puts it the top of the price range.
Imho you traded something that has very little practical use for something that does. Also the Marlin will continue to increase in value . This a hobby and hobbies cost money. If you did go backwards a bit it doesn’t matter. I have come out on top in trades , and, gotten hosed pretty good! That is part of the game. The actual object of the game is to get a new plaything to enjoy. You did that so this round is a win.
The loading manuals give pretty good definition of what loads will be ok in what guns. I break them down by recoil. The ones for older guns are fun to shoot. More modern levers are a bit perky. The ones for Ruger number 1 are brutal. Knock yourself out, perhaps literally. My brothers Marlin , with what is considered a max load for 400 grain slugs, will back you out from under your hat!
Imho you traded something that has very little practical use for something that does. Also the Marlin will continue to increase in value . This a hobby and hobbies cost money. If you did go backwards a bit it doesn’t matter. I have come out on top in trades , and, gotten hosed pretty good! That is part of the game. The actual object of the game is to get a new plaything to enjoy. You did that so this round is a win.
The loading manuals give pretty good definition of what loads will be ok in what guns. I break them down by recoil. The ones for older guns are fun to shoot. More modern levers are a bit perky. The ones for Ruger number 1 are brutal. Knock yourself out, perhaps literally. My brothers Marlin , with what is considered a max load for 400 grain slugs, will back you out from under your hat!
The highest completed auction i see for that exact rifle minus the screws that needed drilled out and the scuffs mentioned was 1500. That was a brand new in box jm Marlin. The others ranged from 905 to 1200. That's actual sold guns. Not some random asking price. And there is no shortage of 45-70 lever guns Like others have said. The ones that are so expensive are old stainless or new production (surprises me that the new guns are so high). Most 5.7 ammo I see is 1 dollar a round. So the ammo alone for the 5.7 would have brought 600. The pistol has pretty much been 900-1100 dollar pistol since it was released. Niether person got rich but if you sold both on gunbroker the pistol and ammo would bring 300 more at least
Doesn't matter if the op got what he wanted then he done fine
I see little practical use for either unless you live in a state that only allows straight walled rounds for rifle season or you need a duty pistol for use on armor wearing bad guys and buy boutique ammo or can get real 5.7 ammo. Ive collected lever actions for 25 years. Had a 5.7 since they came out. A bolt gun in a better caliber is lighter, as cheap to shoot, more accurate and doesn't have the rainbow trajectory and a pistol in a better caliber (from 9mm on up) is more practical than a centerfire 22 mag that costs a dollar a round.
I buy guns more often because I want them. My practicality needs were met with my first 4 guns, a 22 Ithaca 72 (modern Henry h001) a 12 guage flite king, a p97DC and my first model 700 deer rifle in 257 Robert's. After that it was all wants.
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I understand that actual needs can be filled by very few firearms. However inventing a need that doesn’t exist to justify a purchase is a skill unto itself. My wife is much more honest. The reason she gave for buying her last BL 22 was very simple. I wanted it.
someguy2800
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Its just crazy how worthless our money has become in such a short time. I bought my 1895g in 2017 on sale for $435 shipped, and marlin had a $75 mail in rebate going for $75, so I got that gun for $365 plus $25 transfer fee. A couple years later marlin came out with the 1895 CBA and I fell in love with that and decided to sell the guide gun to fund that. The CBA’s were selling for around $650 street price. Well I had my guide gun listed for like 3 months before finally selling it for $500 with a Williams sight and 50 rounds of ammo. Unfortunately as often happens with me, that money went towards buying race car parts and buying the replacement marlin got put off for a year and a half. When I found out marlin had gone under I figured I better get one because who knows if that specific model will ever get made again. I found one of the last ones out there and reluctantly bought it as it ended up costing like $1040 with fees and shipping. Compared to today though I feel lucky I got when I did because I’ve seen the same model sell for $2k on gunbroker which is just nuts to me.
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