Trail Boss Versus Unique

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I use Unique in my low power cast loads. I keep seeing how Trail Boss is a better “fit” for these type of loads. But is it any more accurate than Unique? I understand the safety part, but would going to Trail Boss bring more accuracy and consistancy? I load for a 30-30 Winchester and soon for an soon for an 8MM Mauser. I'm getting low on Unique. Would a switch to Trail Boss be a better move?
 
tkcomer - give TB a try, I think you'll like it for target loads, plinking and such.
It's a fairly low energy powder (by volume) when compared to powders like Unique.
If you don't need high velocities, it works great for lead loads in 30-30 as well as other rifle chamberings, most often with no need for gaschecks.

At the time when I first tried it in my 308win the only load data around for rifles was 30-30. So I worked out a starting load and worked it up.
I should suggest though, when working up loads don't exceed 100% of available case powder capacity(ie don't compress the powder) as pressures may become erradic causing loss in accuracy potential as well as higher than normal working pressures for the powder.
 
I much prefer Trail Boss in my 45 Colt because I like the fill and feel. I use it in my Winchester 94 for plinking fun but not when I want my 30.30 up to par in hunting velosity. I have 7 different smokeless powders in my safe and each has it's purpose. You might consider keeping both, Unique and Trail Boss. Trail Boss is a high volume powder and not suitable in many loads.
 
I would certainly keep both.

Like Ed Gallop, I use Trail Boss for .45 Colt. The fact that TB is a high volume powder allows it to fill the deep .45 Colt case better than most smokeless powders out there, and makes it pretty handy for light cowboy loads. It doesn't replace Unique though.
 
I find it more accurate, and the only powder that I have had instant success with. I find the recoil and report to be much more pleasant. I will probably use TB from now on for loading down my 44 Magnum and 30-30. With the 30-30 Unique never worked for me. The best place I have used Unique has been 9mm.
 
I never could get anything even remotely resembling accuracy from unique in rifle rounds. With trail boss however my 30/06 shoots as well as it does with full power loads.
 
krochus wrote: "I never could get anything even remotely resembling accuracy from unique in rifle rounds. With trail boss however my 30/06 shoots as well as it does with full power loads."
Same for me for 458 Lott, 257 Weatherby, 30/06, 270.

JP
 
You might like IMR SR 4759.
Works great in reduced rifle loads.
 
Loading small quantities of powder in a large case has always been one of my favorites for plinking and loads for the kids to shoot out of high power rifles and handguns.
When I first started loading these low density loads in high volume cases there were occasions when primers would be gone when the cases were ejected, not a good feeling. I did a lot of researching, communicating with many gun writers and found there was a thing these folks referred to as "flash over" where the primer flame ignited the powder at the base of the bullet and burned back to the primer hole, creating a pressure spike. Strong actions seem to keep everything contained, so there really doesn't seem to be much problem, but accuracy really suffers.
I did a lot more research and found that a wad over the powder to keep it closer to the flash hole would improve accuracy and seemed to allow a healthier dose of powder and also kept the primers where they belong.
Now this is just what I have observed.
I have loaded a 130 cast bullet in a 300 Mag case with 15 grains of Unique and gotten accuracy of 1/2 minute at 100 yards with the recoil of a 22 long rifle.
I did a lot of experimenting with wad material, most were a real mess to work with, what I have finally settled on look like ear plugs, (I wouldn't use them for that tho) these are cut from insulation foam with a case that has been cut of and sharpened (drill the primer hole so there is room to get something in to push the wad out). Roll them between your fingers and insert them into the case mouth, allow them to expand, then seat them over the powder charge with something will fit into the case mouth.

Ray
 
The cast bullets I shoot do not have gas checks, so I have to keep velocities low. Plus I have bursitis in my shoulder so I can't take the heavy pounding anymore. Just trying to find out if it is “better” than Unique or people like it for the safety factor. It does look like a good candidate for my 44 mag levergun.
 
Just trying to find out if it is “better” than Unique or people like it for the safety factor.

It has some qualities that are better than Unique for some applications. For loading pipsqueek, low velocity loads, you may find it serves you well. Pick up a few ounces of the stuff and check it out. Won't know until you try at this point. :)
 
Just loaded 50 rounds of MDC 240 gr LSWC and a 1.6CC Lee Dipper of Trail Boss for my .44 Magnum SBH. Weighed,those 1.6CC dippers give me right at 7.0 grains of Trail Boss. So with variance I figure 6.9 to 7.2 of Trail Boss. Because these are practice loads for grip and trigger control I don't mind the variance, and I bet they will be more accurate than I am at this point.
Using the dippers were quick, and loading on a single stage took about 45 minutes or less.
 
I can't speak to Unique or Trail Boss in the .30-30, but I use both in my .44s, in addition to 2400.

Full power magnum loads = 2400
Intermediate ("light" mag or "heavy" special) loads = Unique
Light target loads = Trail Boss

Trail Boss has thus far proven equally accurate out of my revolvers.
 
I like Trail Boss for the 30-30 more than for revolver cartridges. With 100 or 150 grain lead bullets in the 30-30, Trail Boss gives very consistent velocities, my last chrono session gave me an extreme spread of just 10 fps with my 150 grain load (150 Magnus LFP, 7.0 grains Trail Boss, 1128 fps). Really seems to help at 100 yards where the trajectory begins to fall off.
Loading density is roughly 60%, and no noticeable position sensitivity.

In .38 spl and .45 Colt (revolvers and carbines) I haven't gotten that same consistency, but accuracy is still very good at 50 yards.

I think you should give it a try.
 
I finally tried Trail Boss for my 30-30 ammo and was very surprised how accurate it is. I didn't Chrono the load but I did use a 165gr Lead bullet. I used Trail Boss in the 45 Colt before that.

Trail Boss is not a substitute for Unique in any way.
 
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