Transporting reloading components
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JFrank
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Probably just something to get ya to spend money.
Got a link ?
Got a link ?
By law between 25 and 50 pounds must be stored in 1" thick wooden magazine.
I'm moving back to Missouri and have to transport just shy of 125 pounds of powder.
I have farm equipment to move. So I'll be making multiple trips. But I'm confused on how a wooden box is going to provide serious protection from a car fire etc. I could understand if it was lined with sheetrock or other fire resistant material.
Both. Primarily smokeless.
I assume you're looking at DOT regulations?
Those are for "in commerce" transportation, not personal.
As to the 1" thickness it is either for sturdiness or for burn through time.
Speedo66
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Black powder is considered explosives, whole different story than smokeless. Some bridges and tunnels won't allow you to transport over or through them.
My uncle, who was funny like that, once went to the operations office of a large bridge between the Bronx and Queens and said he was going to cross the bridge with some black powder.
They closed the bridge to other traffic and escorted him across with a service vehicle.
My uncle, who was funny like that, once went to the operations office of a large bridge between the Bronx and Queens and said he was going to cross the bridge with some black powder.
They closed the bridge to other traffic and escorted him across with a service vehicle.
Can you provide a link?
My understanding is that fed DOT does not regulate any personal vehicle not being used in commerce. If you are just transporting your own property in your personal vehicle (and your vehicle isnt a business vehicle) I dont know how fed DOT has regulatory authority. OTOH, states can be more restrictive.
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LiveLife
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https://saami.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Info-Doc-Smokeless-Powder.pdf
NFPA 495 Explosive Materials Code 1996 Edition
11-3 Smokeless Propellants
11-3.1 Quantities of smokeless propellants not exceeding 25 lb. (11.3 kg) in shipping containers approved by the U.S. Department of Transportation, may be transported in a private vehicle.
11-3.2 Quantities of smokeless propellants exceeding 25 lb. (11.3 kg) but not exceeding 50 lb. (22.7 kg), transported in a private vehicle, shall be transported in a portable magazine having wood walls of at least 1 in. (25.4 mm) nominal thickness.
11-3.3 Transportation of more than 50 lb. (22.7 kg) of smokeless propellants in a private vehicle is prohibited.
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patmccoy
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49CFR 171.1 (d) gives exclusions to the hazardous materials transportation regs.
sub paragraph (6) says "Transportation of a hazardous material by an individual for non-commercial purposes in a private motor vehicle, including a leased or rented motor vehicle."
sub paragraph (6) says "Transportation of a hazardous material by an individual for non-commercial purposes in a private motor vehicle, including a leased or rented motor vehicle."
Thank you. I think I will still break it into multiple trips. But not worry about a magazine.
FROGO207
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Good thing you are making multiple trips. This way you will never have to worry about too much at once. I would also put them in a tote or sturdy box and put something around or between them to keep them from moving around in it. Also centrally locate them in the storage compartment. Not on the out side where they might be subject to impact.
PWC
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Nor easily inspected.....
Think again. Good thing they actually have "brianiacs" that understand the difference between a Division 1.3 explosive and Division 3 flammable liquid.
The amount of energy is much higher in powder. But either is not a great thing to carry in bulk.
Look at the pinto for a good example of bad things that can happen.
I worked as a firefighter and EMT and saw first hand what happens when the odds finally catch up to you.
armoredman
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Get a cheap two drawer wood lockable filing cabinet. Bingo. That is my powder magazine at home. Then again, I never have 25 pounds to transport anywhere - I burn it up too quick!
AJC1
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I believe the fuel air bomb makes a great case for the hazards of gas. Both should be handled with due diligence. Plastic bags of gasoline are a terrible example provided quite recently. If you are already making several trips why not reduce the large volume, for any number of reasons to include theft, collision etc.Think again. Good thing they actually have "brianiacs" that understand the difference between a Division 1.3 explosive and Division 3 flammable liquid.
It's only a 5 hour run. I don't stop anywhere. But I do agree with keeping risks as minimal as necessary.
JFrank
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By the time im a couple miles down the road ill be more interested in the traffic jam than my jug of Varget stuffed into tote safe and sound and locked in my trailer.
Since it wouldn't be regulated by DOT, there's no rules against it.
I'm not clear on the source of your hostility.
The OP is just being cautious and was trying to understand what the rules, if any, were. Others were giving their opinion. Some of us have experience with DOT regs and the haz mat requirements and shared that. Why become insulting?
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I hear that. I just wanted to make sure I followed the guidelines because conservative states and gun people don't need any more bad publicity whether it's accurate or not.
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