Trash Hits the Fan ANTI GUN statement in movie

[Doug.38PR]

This thread is half political and half tactics and training.

Anyone see the Tom Cruise version of War of the Worlds?
In that movie do you remember him running out of his house and first grabbing a Colt Detective Special? They kept focusing on that very subtly until they got to a point where he needed it.

Liberals are always quick to say that "A gun wouldn't help you if you were in trouble, it would just cause more violence. You have a better chance talking your way out or running your way out of a fight."

The message was clear in this movie. When finally needs the gun the Trash has definately Hit The Fan as his van is attacked by a mob that tear through the windshield and windows and tear him and his children from the car.

He whips out his DS. POW POW!!! It gets the crowd's attention. He holds them back threatening to shoot. SUDDENLY, out of nowhere, a man with a gun bravely approaches him from behind with a Sig P226 and makes him drop the gun. The other armed man then gets in and starts to drive off.

Some stranger sees Tom's gun on the ground. Picks it up. Walks over and shoots the other man and gunshots are heard as the van drives through the mob as the continue to fight for it.

The liberals (like Cruise) have made their statement. What could have been done to avoid this if you (the gun owner) had been in a similar situation? For one thing, I don't think anyone would be brave, or stupid, enough to pull on an armed man or sneak up on them in that way.

 

[EarlofSandwich]

I don't really care much for Hollywood. The movies that they've been cranking out have either been preachy, over-glamourized, fringe society drivel.
I am very selective on what I'll pay to go see at the cineplex.

 

[HankB]

. . . his van is attacked by a mob that tear through the windshield and windows and tear him and his children from the car.

The gun was almost irrelevant - how many pedestrians in a mob does it take to stop a 4000 pound, 200+ HP battering ram, when the gas pedal is mashed to the floor?

And what kind of father won't start shooting when his kids are endangered by a mob?

 

[Doug.38PR]

but the movie's point is that "If the father didn't have a gun with him, then he wouldn't have been able to start shooting, he would have acted like a liberal peacenik and talked his way out of a fight."

+1 about the car though. I wondered about that myself.

On the other hand, I've heard of ONE havilena (think I spelled that wrong, a smaller version of the wild boar, usually found in places like South Texas) being able to flip a car.

Buzzards I'm told will ruin a car too if you hit them.

I've heard of a deer that got hit by a car, went through the front windshield, decapitated the driver, and went through the back window. Both dead obviously.

I know of two cars, both driven by my dad (poor guy), that have been wrecked because they were hit by a deer.....yes that's what I mean't to say, the car was hit by a deer in both cases. Dad was driving down a back farm road about 60 mph in one case a Saturn SL2 and a Chevorlete Blazer in another case. He passed by a deer and the deer got scared and took off running....not away, but INTO THE SIDE OF HIS CAR. THe car door on the right side of hte Saturn was cracked with a hole in it. The Blazer was even worse, it's back door on the left side was pushed in to where you couldn't even open it, and I think dad had a hard time getting the driver's door open. Strangely enough, I think in both cases, the deer survived.

Soooo, that being said, I shudder to think what would happen if you plowed through a mob of 150-200 pound people if a single 120 pound deer can do that to a car.

Nevertheless, I would risk it and plow through them too. Several people in the LA riots did that

 

[Thefabulousfink]

It has been a while since I saw that movie, but I seem to recall that Tom started shooting because he had been pulled from the car and was being beaten, meanwhile his daughter was still in the car.

Now a gun would be of limited use in a situation like that, but I seems to me like Tom used it to the best of his abilites: They stopped beating him, he got is girl out of the car, and they were all alive. It's a bad situation to be in, but if he didn't have the gun there is no assurance that any of those 3 would have happend.

 

[torpid]

Simply plowing through the mob aside...

Tom trumped the mob with his revolver.
The guy with the pistol trumped Tom.
The guy who picked up Tom's revolver trumped the pistol guy.

Lack of situational awareness was the real killer in this scenario.
The person with a gun still got his way at each step until surprised by another person with a gun.

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[MDMadrid]

I don't understand why he drove that car into that town in the first place!

Think for me...If everyone in a house has not had anything to eat in 3 or 4 days and you walk in eating a steak do you think they will just sit there and watch you eat that food?...His(Tom) first mistake was taking that car into the town. One of the first things they teach you when CCW is to "avoid trouble"

 

[2TransAms]

If you have possibly the only working van in the nation,don't drive it by a mob of people.Simple enough.

Also,I wouldn't waste one of my six rounds by firing a warning shot.

 

[up_onus]

i always thought it silly....

Why oh WHY would you ever drive to an exxodus of people who are crazed by ALIENS? me? i would go with the super survivalist idea and hide in a cave with my Y2K stash

One thing I that always gets me...I never EVER could imagine trusting a "mob" of people to anything..... ie...soccer matches....katrina....etc.

 

[longeyes]

Everyone knows you need a Glock 17 for crowd control when the ETs show up. Two of them, in fact.

 

[beerslurpy]

If vastly powerful aliens take over the world, you can always live in the sewers with the rats and the CHUD. Occaisionally an alien would dissappear due to a sewer monster. I'm sure if you put enough hot sauce on them, they are edible.

In any case, I wouldnt want to be caught moving around in the open in daylight with genocidal alien war machines striding about the landscape. That seems like a foolish thing to do. Like running around with giant red clown hair in an area full of snipers.

Tom Cruise's mistakes relating to the gun are:
-putting himself in a bad situation and putting his kids at risk by driving into a panicked mob with the only working car
-bringing a pea shooter instead of a rifle
-bringing 6 rounds in a revolver instead of 600 in magazines
-hesitating and firing warning shots
-trying to flee across the country instead of just climbing down the nearest sewer grate with a backpack full of spam and ammunition. I mean, think logically, how do mice and rats escape from giant, technologically advanced humans? They run into holes where we cant follow.

 

[Erebus]

As far as animals in the road go the moose trumps everything. They are tall enough your headlights shine under them so all there is to spot is 4 spindely dark brown legs at night. And when you hit em they are just the right height that you take their legs out and they come down on the windshield header and crush it right down on you.

Moral of the story, if you are in a place where moose are slow down and watch carefully for them.

 

[Art Eatman]

This sure isn't for L&P, and movie nonsense has little if anything to do with the S&T forum.

Enuf.

Art