Trigger pulls for some Autoloader of mine

[Peter M. Eick]

I was playing around with my Lyman trigger pull gauge and decided to measure my guns. The data for revolvers is over in their spot and the rifles are in the rifle area. The posts will have the same name if you are interested. SA stands for Single action. DA for Double action. All weights are in lbs and onzs.


Gun SA DA
Ruger MK 1 3 0.2
Walther P22t 5 2.5 more the 12 lbs
Dan Wesson RZ-10 3 11.0
Glock G20 6 9.5
Les Baer HWML 4 5.3
EAA Witness 4 9.8 11 3.0
Springfield P9Ultra 5 6.0 9 1.0
Springfield P9 7 5.0 more the 12 lbs
Beretta md96 4 12.2 8 12.5
Beretta md84 5 2.1 7 11.0
Colt gov380 5.05
Les Baer PII 4 3.8
Les Baer PII 4 0.2
Automag md-180 5 1.0
SIG 229sport 3 2.3 9 8.0
SIG p210-6 2 11.5
SIG p210-5 3 0.7
H&K P7E 3 8.2
H&K P7U 4 14.6
H&K P7PSP 3 11.5


As a comparison using the same format

S&W Registered Magnum 3 2.6 10 9.0
S&W 38/44 Outdoorsman 2 15.2 8 4.8
Colt Python (trigger job) 4 7.9 10 8.0
Colt Diamondback 4 11.9 8 14.5

Well there is the data. Draw your own conclusions......

 

[Peter M. Eick]

Lets make this easier.....

 

[Min]

I don't understand your numbers.

 

[Peter M. Eick]

The numbers are lbs and onzes.

For example the colt diamondback single action 4 lbs 11.9 onz double action 8 lbs 14.5 onzs.

Sorry I did not explain the chart better.

 

[Quack]

is this an average? how many pulls?

 

[Peter M. Eick]

All are averages, 6 pulls for revolvers and 5 pulls for autoloaders and bolts.

 

[Shmackey]

What's a P7E or P7U?

Very interesting numbers.

 

[Peter M. Eick]

H&K P7E is the P7 with the "E"uropean heel mounted mag release that sticks out beyond the frame and grips.

H&K P7U is the P7 with the "U"nited states heel mounted mag release that is covered by the grips.

H&K P7PSP is the P7U except that H&K changed the name on the side of the slide. I follow this convention.

Here they are:

The "E" is lower right, the "U" is center top and the PSP is lower left.

 

[dawg23]

What trigger spring /connector do you have in that Glock 20 to make the trigger pull so heavy ??

 

[Peter M. Eick]

Whatever came from the factory. It is bone stock on the trigger. I put a KKM barrel in it so I can shoot some hotter loads, but beyond that it is bone stock.

Aren't they all that heavy? I just assumed mine was representative of the beast.

 

[dawg23]

Mr. Eick:

I'm no expert, but I have modified the triggers on several of my Glocks, and in doing so have measured the trigger weights before and after. Almost without exception my "stock" Glock triggers are around 5.5 pounds. (My measurements are made with a Lyman digital trigger scale)

If your pull is that high, you may need to polish and lube the trigger bar and connector where they touch. That should easily drop a pound off the pull weight.

If you want to improve that pull even more, you can easily get it down to about 4 pounds by installing a Glock factory "3.5 pound connector" (the one that they put in the G34's and G35's) and polishing the trigger components (see this link http://www.alpharubicon.com/mrpoyz/glock/ )

If you want to drop it more, you can replace the stock striker (firing pin) spring with a "reduced power" spring made by Wolff. This drops about another 8 ounces off the trigger pull weight.

There are even more "exotic" modifications that you can have done. Some competition Glocks have trigger pulls down in the 1.5 pound range. Most folks agree that these weights aren't suitable for carry or defense use. But the 3 to 4 pound range isn't a bad goal for an experienced shooter.

Now I know, before I post this, that somebody will chime in to tell us that these mods will make the pistol unreliable. All I can say, preemptively, is that hunderds of people at Glock Talk have done this with no reduction in reliability. I have personally fired over 12,000 rounds thru mine (mostly Blazers, which have some of the hardest primers made) without a single hiccup.

The MAIN thing to remember, irrespective of any modifications, is to keep a light coating of good, light grease (like Tetra, or Slide Glide or TW-25B) on the trigger bar/connector interface.

 

[Black Snowman]

Lube can make a big differance in the Glock's trigger pull. I've experianced this personally and read of other's experiances as well. In the loose glock I like to use grease as a lube anyway since I'm not in a gritty or dirty environment that might turn it into a lapping compound and clean it regularly.

My stock trigger on my G24P had the light connector but was still not smooth until I stoned the burrs off of the contacts on my connector. Then all was right with the world. That was when the gun was about 6 months old and it's had 5-6 thousand rounds through it since then. Never had a hardware induced issue with it. I've made some truly horrid reloads it didn't like and have done some stupid stuff like not seat the mag fully, but you can hardly blame the gun for that

 

[Peter M. Eick]

Thanks for the advice. I have been actually thinking about selling the g20. I don't really shoot it that well, and I bought it spur of the moment. I put a kkm barrel and comp on it to see if that would help but the flexing of the frame during recoil just bothers me. Kind of a waste now. Nice gun, 3000 odd rounds down it, aftermarket barrel, 5 15 rnd and 5 10 rnds mags. And I still don't really get a warm and fuzzy feeling when I shoot it.