Triggers for ar

[DoubleMag]

It's human nature to avoid the simple solutions for simple applications. The research time, advice etc mentally ads up to be believed, spending more means better. A regular piece of rope is all that's needed for the barn. Not replacing rope for the 3rd ascent of Everest. That obviously would mean, premium rope(s)...

Ok the shorter version; has the OP spent that $35 I mentioned yet?

 

[MistWolf]

I've been in the worst of conditions, extremes to extremes. My lightest was 4.0lbs on a mil-spec fire-control group worked over by one of our armorers. All was well. Assuming the OP ain't deploying for combat, I doubt if those conditions will ever apply.

I've never been in combat so I can only guess what's needed, or repeat anecdotes told to me by others. I was thinking of hunting. I find I don't like a light trigger when my hands are stiff with cold or wearing gloves or breathing hard from running after a rabbit. When I say light, I mean a pull that comes in under 4.5 pounds. For field use, I like single action triggers (whether they be single stage or two stage) to be between 4.5 and 5.5, maybe 6 pounds.

Though I've never experienced the ALG/ACT, I've read enough user evals to say it would be hard to beat at it's regular price and especially when it's on sale.

Yes. A clean, well broken in standard AR trigger is actually pretty nice for a semi auto trigger and that's what the ALG/ACT trigger feels like from the very first pull.

Regarding assorted mil-spec factory triggers, I find no consistency. Have seen them gritty, not gritty 4 1/2lbs to pushing 9.0lbs, decent pre-travel to insanely stupid pre-travel, very acceptable reset to terrible, and everything in between. A "fluff and a buff" can work wonders at times.

That's the problem with the standard AR trigger. You never know what your getting. The beauty of the ALG/ACT is you can buy a half dozen triggers and they'll all have the same smooth pull and break.

When you say "pre-travel", I assume you mean "pre-ignition travel"?

 

[1911 guy]

ALG Defense makes two triggers for the AR, the "base model" is the QMS. Stands for Quality Mil-Spec. The "deluxe model" is the ACT. It's the same trigger, but the surfaces that matter are coated with a nickel-teflon concoction. It might be genius, it might be snake oil. I don't know, I've only used the QMS. Also, make sure to use the supplied pins. They are tightly toleranced to eliminate wiggling around that happens with some trigger groups and mass produced pins.

 

[glc24]

ALG Defense makes two triggers for the AR, the "base model" is the QMS. Stands for Quality Mil-Spec. The "deluxe model" is the ACT. It's the same trigger, but the surfaces that matter are coated with a nickel-teflon concoction. It might be genius, it might be snake oil. I don't know, I've only used the QMS. Also, make sure to use the supplied pins. They are tightly toleranced to eliminate wiggling around that happens with some trigger groups and mass produced pins.

I've never been in combat so I can only guess what's needed, or repeat anecdotes told to me by others. I was thinking of hunting. I find I don't like a light trigger when my hands are stiff with cold or wearing gloves or breathing hard from running after a rabbit. When I say light, I mean a pull that comes in under 4.5 pounds. For field use, I like single action triggers (whether they be single stage or two stage) to be between 4.5 and 5.5, maybe 6 pounds.


Yes. A clean, well broken in standard AR trigger is actually pretty nice for a semi auto trigger and that's what the ALG/ACT trigger feels like from the very first pull.

That's the problem with the standard AR trigger. You never know what your getting. The beauty of the ALG/ACT is you can buy a half dozen triggers and they'll all have the same smooth pull and break.

When you say "pre-travel", I assume you mean "pre-ignition travel"?

I've never been in combat so I can only guess what's needed, or repeat anecdotes told to me by others. I was thinking of hunting. I find I don't like a light trigger when my hands are stiff with cold or wearing gloves or breathing hard from running after a rabbit. When I say light, I mean a pull that comes in under 4.5 pounds. For field use, I like single action triggers (whether they be single stage or two stage) to be between 4.5 and 5.5, maybe 6 pounds.


Yes. A clean, well broken in standard AR trigger is actually pretty nice for a semi auto trigger and that's what the ALG/ACT trigger feels like from the very first pull.

That's the problem with the standard AR trigger. You never know what your getting. The beauty of the ALG/ACT is you can buy a half dozen triggers and they'll all have the same smooth pull and break.

When you say "pre-travel", I assume you mean "pre-ignition travel"?

Changing out the stock ACT spring with the "purple spring" ends up with a very nice 4.5 lb trigger pull. I have that combo in two different AR platforms. I've yet to experience light primer strikes from NATO ammo, or using the CCI 41 primers. IMO, for the money, it's a very good single stage trigger.

 

[coloradokevin]

New to the ar world. Bought a Ruger 556. Great little rifle. Purchased for fun at the range and a little hog hunting. Problem is the horrendous trigger. Would like something that breaks clean, doesn't feel gritty, not an excessive amount of take up or over travel and possibly adjustable weight. If not, about three pounds. What would the pro's recommend? Thanks.

How much are you willing to spend?

You can get a polished version of a standard military trigger from ALG defense for maybe $49 or so (I think the model is called the ACT trigger). They're still probably a 5-6 pound trigger, but they aren't the crunchy and creepy variety.

Personally, I have the Geissele National Match set in the latest AR-15 I built. It's an adjustable two stage trigger that I've very impressed with. It has a nice linear first stage, and a very sharp second stage break with no discernible creep whatsoever. This trigger also comes with three different spring sets, so you can run it as a heavier weight setup that is legal for service rifle competition, or take it all the way down to a match rifle weight that is pretty darn light (I'm guessing 2.5 pounds). That's around a $250 trigger if you buy it full price, but they do sales several times per year.

I have both of the triggers I mentioned. The ALG trigger isn't a bad choice for a woods gun, given that it has a somewhat heavier break, and all of the inherent safety of the solid sear engagement of the military trigger. NOTE: ALG is a Geissele company, owned by Bill's wife.

The Geissele National Match trigger is hands-down my favorite AR-15 trigger for precision work, but it might be overkill for a gun you just plan to hump around the woods and plink with. On the other hand, you'll still probably like it.

 

[imashooter]

No personal experience but I have see several folks who also recommend the PSA AR15/PA10 EPT - ENHANCED POLISHED FIRE CONTROL GROUP - 507797. When in stock I believe it's very affordably-priced.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar15-pa10-enhanced-polished-trigger.html