Trooper Shootout

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Unless you plan on carrying a .50bmg as your EDC, everything is inadequate. No matter what you carry, if you need to shoot, keep shooting until the threat stops. Too many people train one or two shots then stop.

On a side note, I dealt with a guy with four .380 holes in him. Two in an arm and two in his gut. He didn't think he needed the EMTs...
 
morcey2 said:
Maybe he thought he had been shot with a 25 ACP. :)
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If it was a .25 he had been shot with, would he even have noticed?

When the guy was informed he'd been shot with a .380, was he upset?

Crazy what a difference .07" inches can make. If it were a .45, he'd have been blown across the street, through a plate glass window, and the EMTs would have had to search for the top half of him.

:D
 
This video is a good illustration of the primacy of shot placement in ending a fight.


Did everyone catch that the Trooper was forced to return fire in the direction of his assailant's 3 children?
This was a very nasty situation.
 
Did everyone catch that the Trooper was forced to return fire in the direction of his assailant's 3 children?
This was a very nasty situation.
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Yes, and what a pathetic excuse for a human being to put his children in harm's way like that! Imagine if one of the troopers shots had hit one of the children. What a terrible thing for the trooper as well.
 
Sam Cade said:
This video is a good illustration of the primacy of shot placement in ending a fight.


Did everyone catch that the Trooper was forced to return fire in the direction of his assailant's 3 children?
This was a very nasty situation.
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Exactly,

For the time it took him for fire so many shots he could have slowed down just a tiny bit and got alot better accuracy.

As Bill Jordan said, "Speed is fine, accuracy is final".

And to balance that out, the same Bill Jordan said, "Take your time, fast".

So like I said, slow down just a tiny bit makes a big difference in hits.

Deaf
 
That guy that was pulled over was showing a lot of signs of aggression. He was ordered back into his car, and did not respond to the directive. I feel sure the officer was having major concerns at that point and probably had his hand on his gun.

For one thing, he kept his hand behind his back. I assume his gun was back there and he pulled it pretty fast.

The guy drove a reported 1/2 mile and was found dead with his kids in the car.

This is one of the more dangerous situations that traffic cops are exposed to as they are usually alone. I know of one that was killed that way in the area I grew up in the middle of the night along an major highway.
 
With the mask on and the aggression, I think the Trooper would have been more than justified in at least drawing first. Sometimes even LEO's get hung up on verbal instructions and are overlooking physical reality. Repeating the instruction is not going to protect you from an attack.
 
Wait, it looks like he is wearing ACU's. (Army fatigues) He was obviously standing at parade rest with his hand on his weapon. You can see as he moves to the passenger side of the Squad, his magazine falls out from which he inadvertently released during shooting most likely, and he has to bend down to pick it up and slide it back into the weapon.
 
In CHL classes (and Ayoobs MAG, Tom Givens, SouthNarcs, etc..) they tell you about indicators.

Well this guy had 'indicator' written all over him like a bill board.

Should have been a tip off to the trooper to draw his gun.

Oh, and I didn't see him drop that mag! Wow.... he may have thought he was some kind of military spec-ops but to drop your mag in combat?

That may have saved that troopers life.

Deaf
 
He took at least one round to the chest before he did the reload. When he is coming straight at the trooper you can see him flinch and draw back, that is when he most likely took the fatal round to the chest. He was dead, just didn't know it yet.
 
stressed said:
Wait, it looks like he is wearing ACU's. (Army fatigues) He was obviously standing at parade rest with his hand on his weapon. You can see as he moves to the passenger side of the Squad, his magazine falls out from which he inadvertently released during shooting most likely, and he has to bend down to pick it up and slide it back into the weapon.
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He was military guy. You can tell from the boots he wears. It would have been much better to just pay for the speeding ticket.
 
Wearing ACUs and brown boots does not automatically make one military. Heck I have desert combat boots and ACUs and I never served. I use them for work clothes. I agree that there is a very strong possibility but I am waiting for the final report before I make a judgement.
 
I don't worry as much as you might be, because it's no longer my job to stop speeders and approach other people with "suspicious" written all over them. Situational awareness will do wonders to keep that .380 in your pocket; you need not engage and pursue people who did not originally target you.

If anyone ever does, he will know you are not likely to pursue and attempt to apprehend if he breaks off and flees at your resistance. That is why more than 99.99 percent of attackers, when countered with well-executed armed defense, do so, ending the threat.
 
Cosmoline said:
With the mask on and the aggression, I think the Trooper would have been more than justified in at least drawing first. Sometimes even LEO's get hung up on verbal instructions and are overlooking physical reality. Repeating the instruction is not going to protect you from an attack.
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In hind sight, I think he should have drawn after repeating his instructions twice to get back in the car. LEO's don't live under the same rules about brandishing as civilians.

I'll wait for more details on the whole deal, but frankly at this point, I am not expecting any new information. The information does not have to be provided.
 
That happened really fast and at close range...i'm glad the good guy lived.
 
One of our training videos went much worse for the PO.

Perp disregards orders, then reaches into truck and withdraws an M1 Carbine.

Cop, instead of shooting him at that moment, continuously orders him to drop the rifle. Bad move. Cop is shot repeatedly by the perp.

Real life video, cop perished, very chilling to watch (and hear).
 
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In hind sight, I think he should have drawn after repeating his instructions twice to get back in the car. LEO's don't live under the same rules about brandishing as civilians.

I'll wait for more details on the whole deal, but frankly at this point, I am not expecting any new information. The information does not have to be provided.
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At least here in Texas if someone walks toward you after you told them to stay back and their hand is hidden behind them you are not 'brandishing' if you pull your roscoe.

Yes the cop was well within his rights to draw the gun once they guy started advancing toward him after he told him to stay there.

Deaf
 
One of our training videos went much worse for the PO.

Perp disregards orders, then reaches into truck and withdraws an M1 Carbine.
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The video can be found on youtube. Search for "Kyle Dinkheller".

(Whenever you hear a shooting victim snore that means they're dying from blood loss.)
 
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This is something I was heavily involved --officer survival training and we were very serious about it. All of our training was carefully planned, scripted, and videotaped for later critique....

To put it briefly, we taught our officers that their actual tactics were more important than what weapons they had with them and skill in their use... We advised our officers that at times withdrawing until backup was on scene was far preferable than a one on one armed confrontation when a subject showed every sign of serious resistance and there was no victim involved that you had to protect at that moment. In fact, with that training I'd have backed away in my vehicle at high speed the moment that shooter stepped out of the car with strong hand concealed and refused orders to get back in his car... One or two hundred feet to the rear gives you time to ask for help and allows you to plan your tactics to place any opponent at maximum disadvantage if he intends to start a gunfight. John Wayne is dead and anyone in a close quarters fight is likely to join him if you don't do everything possible to use tactics that give you every advantage before things get ugly...
 
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I wonder if one of the trooper's bullets may had also hit the guy's handgun. Him dropping the magazine may have been because he was fumbling with the gun trying to get it to fire again.
 
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