True Pocket Carry - What really works?

Which one works for REAL LIFE pocket carry?

  • Seecamp LWS380

    Votes: 8 4.6%
  • Rohrbaugh (any model)

    Votes: 9 5.2%
  • Smith x42

    Votes: 74 42.8%
  • Other - Please post alternatives

    Votes: 82 47.4%

  • Total voters
    173
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Whenever someone asks about 'pocket carry', I always feel the need to ask, "What kind of pocket? Slacks, Jeans/Cargo pants or Jacket? Loose or tight? Big or bigger (pockets)? Front or rear? Pleated front or plain?"
Cause different pocket carry might require different type(s) of handgun in my way of thinking.
Never been one for pants pocket carry... somehow over the years my pants got tighter... same size, just tighter... must be fashion trends. (some of my belts shrunk a little, too) :scrutiny:
Jacket pocket strong side... snubby revolver and nothing else in the same pocket.
Slacks pocket... slim semi-auto in holster and nothing else in the same pocket.
 
642 folks, the rubber grip sticking to clothing was my main concern. Anyone found a good smooth grip alternative?

You can't go wrong with the CT lasergrip. I bought the overmoulded grip and it fits better in my largish hands than the original S&W grips, but still conceals in the pocket quite well. The texture on it allows for a solid grip but doesn't catch inside my pocket on the draw. Finally the laser allows me to be much more accurate with it than with just iron sights, as well as allowing shooting from less than ideal positions. With iron sights I'm limited to how accurate the sight radius allows me to be, with the CT I'm limited to how accurate my trigger pull allows for.

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For pocket guns, I like j-framed wheelguns first and then mouseguns 2nd. I like wheelguns primarily because if need be, you can fire twice w/o drawing out of the pocket. I like the mousegun because they're just so easy to carry around.
 
I voted for other-P3AT...I had a S&W642 until I shot my buddies P32. I feklt the 32 was a little anemic however and traded the 642 towards the 380...flat,small, lightwieght, and ballsy for a little gun
 
P3AT either in the front pocket of shorts or in the right rear pocket of jeans. For a holster I cut down an Uncle Mikes IWB and pulled off the clip. I think people worry to much about lumps in there clothes or a gun printing. In todays world so many people carry phones, Ipods and other doo dads that sheeples don't look at that stuff and would never think gun. When we go to baseball games I always palm my KT and put it in the trunk before the game and do the same to get it back out after and no one ever gives me a second look.
 
I've never been comfortable with any kind of pistol in my pockets. Even my Baby Browning makes me more self conscious than just about anything, so I went with this. :)

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I wear a Kel-Tec P11 in a Hume pocket holster. It is light and comfortable to wear.

The pistol has not had a malfunction in over 300 rounds. I polished the trigger drawbar and the trigger pull is quite smooth now, though still a bit long and heavy.

My usual work "uniform", and normal street dress for me, is a long sleeved dress shirt with necktie and slacks, so a belt holster is not an option. (Haven't gotten around to trying a tuckable IWB yet.) I wear khakis (Dockers, Land's End, etc.) or slacks that are sized to fit a bit loosely, and that have a pleated front. This pistol/holster/pants combination will print slightly, but is not recognizable as a pistol. In a more casual environment, I wear convertible hiking pants with cargo pockets. The pistol does not print at all in them.


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Of you Kel Tec folks, did you have reliability issues?

I did a "Fluff n Buff" on mine before I shot it and never had a malfunction. The trigger pull was just toooo long and heavy even with the trigger shoe so I sold it and bought a snubby.
 
Having finally returned to FL after many years away, I just bought a Kel-Tec P-11 which I plan to carry in a pocket holster. I'm usually in cargo shorts in summer, and loose blue jeans in winter. I have no trouble carrying and concealing a steel .38 snubbie in a front pocket, but the P-11 will be lighter and flatter (and holds twice the ammo.)
 
I'd have bought the Kel-Tec P3AT had it been available at the time. I had great success with a P11, so bought one of the first 150 P32s on the market. It had to go back to the factory once for an extractor update. Since then, it has been 100% reliable with Winchester Silvertips and Fiocchi JHPs. I periodically think about replacing it with a P3AT, but figure I'll just buy the latter eventually.

I don't like anything bigger for pocket carry. I've carried a Kahr PM9, which is a great little gun, but I don't like it in my pocket. I usually wear dress slacks with pockets big enough to get it in and out easitly, but there seems to be know way to keep it from printing. Even if one can't tell it's a gun in that pocket, it's pretty obvious that something with some substantial weight is there. Not so with the P32. It is small enough to just disappear. And if wearing a sport or suit jacket, may as well carry IWB as in a pocket.

I recently procured a new-to-me SP101, and I really like it! I mean, I REALLY like it! But I can't imagine carrying it in a pocket it weighs so much. I traded a Kahr K40 for the PM9 because the K40 was such a brick. I couldn't see the K40 as a pocket pistol, either.

Bottom line, I really like the P32 for pocket carry; it is exactly what a pocket pistol should be: light, flat, and reasonable capacity (7+1). It's the "take everywhere all the time" gun. Never even have to think about it. Even the PM9 requires some thought. I do like the look and feel of the Rohrbaugh (sp?) 9mm, but I just can't see spending that kind of money for that diminuative piece, especially when the P32 and P3AT work so well.
 
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I was pocket carrying my S&W 442 in a Nemisis holster the other day (which I have done infrequently before) and discovered I had created a sizable hole in the pocket of my jeans.

The 442 isn't very heavy, but the material that most pockets are made out of is pretty thin and apparently, weak.

I'm looking at reinforcing all my pockets before I pocket carry again.

At least it didn't rip all the way out and send my gun skidding accross the floor.

This, along with masking the print and placing the gun in one spot and not letting it flop around are all reasons for a pocket holster. The weight of a revolver baring down on the muzzle in a pocket WILL wear holes. If it's in a pocket holster that distributes the weight across the bottom of the pocket, that will not happen.

My usual work "uniform", and normal street dress for me, is a long sleeved dress shirt with necktie and slacks, so a belt holster is not an option. (Haven't gotten around to trying a tuckable IWB yet.) I wear khakis (Dockers, Land's End, etc.) or slacks that are sized to fit a bit loosely, and that have a pleated front. This pistol/holster/pants combination will print slightly, but is not recognizable as a pistol. In a more casual environment, I wear convertible hiking pants with cargo pockets. The pistol does not print at all in them.

Early on, I bought a Mitch Rosen Workman tuckable. It is quite comfortable for all day carry and works very well. However, I still find pocket carry more comfortable for my needs. But, my needs involve hot, hot weather, sweating a lot, rolling around under tractors for a living, not IWB friendly. I don't carry much IWB anymore, but the Workman rig is an option.

Of you Kel Tec folks, did you have reliability issues?

Mine's an early production P11 that I got some 10 years ago. I've put over 10K round through it in that time, put about 100 rounds a month out of it average, some months more, some months less, but at any rate there are a lots of rounds though that gun and it's been flawless. I trust the gun as much as any of my revolvers. I KNOW it's going to go bang when I squeeze the trigger and cycle perfectly. It's not even very picky about loads, bullet ogive, that sort of thing. I've never fluffed nothin', but my pillow at night. If you were near me, I'd be glad to let you fire it. It's a lot of firepower for a pocket and in a major caliber.

I have considered buying a P3AT just because those things are so tiny. Amazing they can put a .380 in such a small package. Most everyone that has one seems to like it. I have an old Grendel P12 that works fine, though, and I think makes a better back pocket gun cause of the heel clip magazine release. I made a wallet for it, looks like a wallet in a hip pocket and is less restrictive than my P11 as far as mode of dress. I can't pocket the P11 in "normal" jeans, but I buy carpenter's jeans or Wrangler Cargo Jeans (big front pockets) anymore. They work fine with the P11 and I really like +Ps at 410 ft lbs out of that gun, the power of a snubby .357 with much less flash, bang, recoil. .380 is fine, but I have more confidence in the 9. Besides, the P11 is quite a bit more accurate than my Grendel and I suspect a P3AT. I can put 5 of my carry rounds to POA in a 3.5" group. That's acceptable for a service sized gun and pretty danged decent out of a subcompact, on par with a snubby J frame which I've found can also be incredibly accurate.

I never polished anything on my P11, but after a few thousand rounds, the trigger became incredibly smooth, smoother than any revolver I've ever shot regardless of brand or even some with action jobs. Think about it, no cylinder to turn. All that trigger has to do is draw the internal hammer back and release it. There's far fewer working parts and functions to the trigger on the P11 compared to a J frame so it stands to reason the action is much smoother. It is LONG, of course, and some don't like that. But, it makes the gun very safe to carry in a pocket condition one and I have become quite used to it, shoot it very well. My gun has the old 10 lb spring in it, on par with a really good revolver for weight. the newer guns are lighter with the 8.5 lbs spring in 'em. I've never really considered putting the 8.5 lbs spring in mine, though I understand Kel Tec will upgrade it for free.

That's another thing about Kel Tec, the consumer service is second to none in the industry. So, if you get a lemon, it ain't as bad as if you get a lemon of some other brand. KT will make it right for you if they have to replace the whole gun. I've never had to use KTs service, though, just going on what hear and read. I did call 'em a while back, asking about the recoil spring, whether I should replace it considering the round count. They said "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" so I took their advise.:D
 
I've been pocket carrying a Kahr PM9 for a year now. Gun shoots and pocket carries very well.
 
Kel-Tec P3AT w/ 102g Golden Sabres... both mine and my wife's have been totally reliable right out of the box (mine's hard-chromed and hers is the parkerized).

Carried in Desantis Nemesis in the front pocket or cargo pocket or the Desantis Trickster in the back pocket (has a panel that makes it look like a wallet), or in a Protech Ankle Holster if pockets just aren't gonna' work.
 
Many thanks folks

Well, even though it was not in my poll, I am going to try the Kel Tec P3AT. I left if off the poll because of the reliability problems reported over the years.

After research I find that Kel Tec is delivering their Second Generation design and the reliability issues seem to be for the most part gone now.

I found a NIB hard chromed model for $235 and we'll see how this goes.
I did order the Desantis Nemesis off of EBay as well for 14 bucks, that also seems to come with the highest praise.

So many thanks for the advice, I know it helped me a ton.

The Seecamp I am sure is a great little pistol but that kind of money is tough to justify, same with the Rohrbaugh.

If the Kel Tec turns out to be unreliable then I'll try one of those, but until I've been shown otherwise, paying a $750 premium is tough, especially with the praise given to Kel Tec for their always "making things right".

I don't mind a trip back to them worst case. The extra couple of weeks still don't justify the $750 extra for the others.

The Smith unfortunately just didn't work, and that's what I really wanted.
I found a gunstore that would let me put one in my pocket (surprisingly several absolutely forbade me to try that) and it just didn't fit in the clothes I commonly wear so I had to walk away. I still want one however :D
 
I voted for the snubby.

I have carried the following for serius lengths of time. They all "work." Some work better than others for some pockets & circumstances:
Taurus 651 Total Ti .357mag snubby (5 rounds)
Kel-tec P40 .40S&W (9+1)
AMT DAO Backup .45ACP (5+1)
Kel-tec P32 .32ACP (7+1)
Beretta M21 .22LR (7+1...IIR)

My current pocket "go-to" gun is the Taurus 651 snubby, a S&W Bodyguard wannabe. It carries easier than the P40 or AMT. I have pretty much stopped carrying the P32 since getting the snubby. I stopped carrying hte Beretta since I got the P32: the P32 is lighter, thinner, and packs more punch.

IMO, an alloy snubby is the most versatile pocket gun. Get a couple of differntly-shaped pocket holsters & you'll be good to go for 95% of your pocket-carry needs. The Kel-tec P32 will handle the other 5%.
 
Kel-Tec P-3AT.

Cleaned it.
Polished the feed ramp, hood, and chamber with #600 sandpaper.
Lubed it.
Shot it.
Have shot over 1000 carefree rounds of various ammo.
 
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