Truth or Fiction?

[Master of Arms]

I`ve seen many posts where people claim to shoot 1" groups at 300 - 1000 yards. I can understand shooting an inch at 100-300 yards but I use a 4by12by50 scope and to shoot an inch out to a thousand yards is impossible. I try not to use the word impossible but I`ve never witnessed this kind of precision, not even on TV, as a matter of fact not even in Hollywood. Caught a guy at my local sporting goods store claiming 1 1/2 " groups at 2750 yards!! I invited him to meet me at the range for an exhibition and guess what, no show. I can understand that if the shooter has a monster of a scope and a portable rack mount to shoot from that hitting a 12 inch target out to a thousand yards wouldn`t be impossible, in fact with the proper equipment I`d imagine a 4/7 ratio would be exceptable but a 1 inch group?? I shoot at 8" targets at various distances and once I`m out past that 500 mark it gets very difficult, maybe 3/6, but I normally shoot with my 4by12by50 from a hill of dirt while using my fanny pack for a rest. I try to keep it realistic. I`m not out here calling people liars or anything but I`ve shot for years and I`m considered to be an excellent shot by my peers and I know that with my current equipment that a 1 inch group at anything beyond 350-375 yards is tough. Please explain how this is possible if you agree and how it`s not if you disagree. Please try to keep it clean fellows. Just an opinion.

 

[esmith]

I agree with you. Some people claim they shoot amazingly yet provide no proof. But there is equipment that helps a lot at long ranges. Heavy bull barrels, slings, shooting racks, hooking buttplates, etc.

 

[taliv]

occasionally, i print a 1" three-shot group at 400 yrds or a 3" group at 900 yrds, and i've posted pics of same. i've never claimed to be able to do it on demand. other days, like this past sunday, i was keeping 3 foot groups at 900 yrds. i have no idea what was wrong. (edit: one of the main reasons i put no stock whatsoever into 3 round groups...)

otoh, a very new shooter i was with on sunday shot his fairly new 700pss from a bipod and put two rounds almost on top of each other at 900 (and a 3rd not far away). go figure.

if you're in the neighborhood (TN) you are welcome to come shoot with us every sunday...

that said, there's no question some people know so little about long range shooting that they don't even realize how absurd their exaggerations are.

 

[Jeff F]

1 inch groups at 1000 yards, I'd call BS on that. There may be a few that could do that and repeat it but I'd bet you could count them on one hand. It takes a real rifleman to shoot 1 inch groups at 300 yards.

 

[Im283]

groups at 2750 yards!!

where do you live that you can shoot at these kind of distances?

I also doubt some claims I hear.

 

[AK103K]

Sierra has a little article in their loading manual from awhile back (3rd edition) on a world record shot in 87. Ten round group at 1000 yards, 9 rounds into 3.12" the tenth opened it up to 4.375".

I'm sure thats probably been bettered by now.


Most people who claim to be great shots usually seem to have a bad day when you finally get out with them. The other thing I usually run into is, most want to shoot off a bench, and have no idea of how to "shoot".


For me, 1-2" at 200 yards from a prone position is very doable (on demand) with the right rifle and ammo. At 100 yards, I get four shot one holers with the obligatory #5 flyer with the same gun. Maybe I should only shoot 4 round groups at 100 yards.

If I shoot at 1000 yards, I'll need an XBOX 360 to make the shot.

 

[Huddog]

Truth. I don't shoot anywhere near that well.

 

[Walkalong]

I have shot a .0 something at 100 before, and then turned around and shot a .4 something 20 minutes later with the same ammo, gun, etc. Same at 200. A .1 something, then a .6 something.

I have drilled little groups with a pistol just to turn around and shoot a terrible one.

I had a friends Browning "High Wall" that I could shoot under 2" at 300 yards almost every time (for 3 shot groups, not five) He has instructions to give me first dibs if he ever sells.

Like earlier posters have said "repeatable" or "on demand"

That is why Benchresters shoot aggregates to see who wins. 5 each 5 shot groups one after another averaged together, not one 3 shot group out of 30 shot over a months time.

The folks with stock guns that can shoot 1/4 MOA all the time on the internet just slay me.

1 inch groups at 1000 yards, I'd call BS on that

Really deep BS at that

1 MOA at 1000 yards? Now that's doable, well for folks who have the equipment anyway.

 

[Master of Arms]

0.23 miles is about 412 yards right?

An 8" circle painted white looks like the diameter of a sharpened pencil lead at 0.23 miles. I think that people may judge the distance incorrectly. I use a GPS to calculate my yardage and it`s pretty much exact, give or take a few feet. I also record my long shots with a 800x digital camcorder.

 

[Master of Arms]

where do you live that you can shoot at these kind of distances?

Not me, some guy that works at Extreme Outfitters made that claim. And to answer your question of where, beats me! I know that as long as the wind isn`t blowing above 25 mph and my target is inside of the 400 yard range, its in the freezer outside of that, I don`t get the oppurtunity very often to shoot in excess of 500+ so I can`t truthfully say.

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

Oh yeah, there's liars, damn liars, gun shop liars, and internet liars, in ascending order. It's amazing the groups guys get on this here 'puter. Maybe they ARE talking about their Call of Duty 4 groups, hmmmm.

Caught a guy at my local sporting goods store claiming 1 1/2 " groups at 2750 yards!!

Oh, that's rich - he beat the WORLD'S RECORD 1,000 yard group size at nearly three times that distance. Surely he got that on video, right?

 

[Sunray]

A scope does nothing to improve groups if the rifle and ammo won't shoot well to start with. A scope only allows you to see the target better.
Anybody who says they can shoot 1.5" groups at 2750 yards is full of excrement.

 

[bensdad]

Well, there was this one guy from Kentucky once...

One time I was over at my dad's house for dinner. Just before chow, I had a few minutes to try the wwb ammo (for the first time) in my new Model 12. I put 3 shots in one hole at 100 yds. I thought, "Wow!! That's the best bullet ever!"

That crap shot holes all over the paper for the rest of the box.

I generally shoot poorly. I need a coach or mentor. I also need to invest in better equipment. I keep buying cheap glass and thinking it will work out fine. Yeah, not so much.

 

[Master of Arms]

Oh yeah, there's liars, damn liars, gun shop liars, and internet liars, in ascending order.

LOL

Great answer and opinion! I`m laughing my azz off right now, can hardly type. When the guy said that about the 2750 I immediately said "Man, there ain`t no way, I don`t believe that, get him and y`all meet me at the range" and as I`ve stated above, NO SHOW!

 

[swiss7.5]

Can someone tell what the hold over would be on a 2750yd shot with a BB gun? im headed to the range to shoot my Red Rider

 

[CYANIDEGENOCIDE]

pure weapons grade BULL-ONIUM
2750 yards, OVER a mile and half. what is he shooting that will retain enough energy to be super sonic that far? there is only one shoulder fired weapon, its a 20mm (anzio iron works)
a .408 cheytac runs out of steam at 2200 yards give or take
a .338 lapua mag runs out of pep at 1750.
a .50bmg runs out long before that.
and this mythical gun would have to be .005 MOA. hes a liar and deserves to be kicked in the nuts! i can't stand people that make these assinine claims and get upset when you call their bluff

 

[kennedy]

liars, liars, I have shot .7 5 rd groups at 100 yds with rem 700 with handloads. I usually shoot 8 to 10 targets. I usually get 1 to 3 .7 groups the rest crap, the more I try the more great groups I get. several reasons, I am getting better as a shooter(practice, practice), my gun is getting broken in, and I am getting better at handloading. When all I shoot is sub 1 in groups, I will sell the gun or turn it into a closet queen and buy something else to try.

 

[ZeSpectre]

Whal yer durn tootin.
Why one time my pal Rosco was a settin up his custom made 55-100 buffalo gun and he done just got back from a half mile walk out to hang up a target and don't you know that durned target blew right off the target stand. Whal Rosco was so pissed about that wasted walk that he just went ahead and shot that durned target while it was blowing along the ground. Rosco was so good he nailed that target right back onto the backstop with that shot so that he could go ahead and put the next 10 rounds through the x.

We both figgered that was acceptable enough shootin so we went to get the target and saw that the boolets had gone right through the backstop and the shockwave had done kilt us a mess o' rabbits beyond. Well that barrel on that custom made 55-100 buffalo gun was still a glowin red hot so we thunked to our selfs "why not have us a BBQ" so we skinned them rabbits and had us a nice bbq rabbit dinner (though we did have to fire off another round or two to reheat the barrel so's we could cook us some cherry cobbler for dessert.

And that the TROOTH!

 

[kennedy]

anyone remember watching the beverly hill billies shot lever action rifles at a board with nails in it then have to turn the board around and shoot the nails back out? loved it

 

[Bones11b]

The few persons I've met that I beleive have made truly amazing shots (both on paper and creature) have readily admitted that 99% of the shot was sheer luck and under no circumstances could they repeat it again. The ones with outstanding claims of multiple groups that can be made "on demand" have never backed up those claims when challenged.

 

[taliv]

a .50bmg runs out long before that.

-cyanidegenocide

A McMillan TAC-50 .50 BMG sniper rifle was used by Canadian Corporal Rob Furlong to bring off the longest-range confirmed sniper kill in history, when he shot a Taliban insurgent at 2,430 meters (2,657 yards)

-wikipedia

 

[jmr40]

I can't recall the details but some one will bring up a link I'm sure. There is a well documented case where a Army scout back during the 1840's or 1850"s shot an Indian chief out of his saddle at some extreme range with his buffalo gun. It was in Texas I think. The army had a survey crew document the range and it was about 3/4 mile if I remember correctly.

 

[cracked butt]

Here's how it works-
All guns on the internet shoot 1moa as a baseline, even shot out milsurps with 6o year old and corroded ammo from a country where everyone lives in dung huts. Beyond that, shooting abilities are only limited by the human imagination.

People post pictures, but anyone can put up a target just beyond where it could get powder burns and claim it was shot at 100 or 600 yards.

 

[ZeSpectre]

Okay I posted my humor above but in all seriousness I have met couple of guys capable of almost inhuman accuracy. I'm not saying 1" groups at 2,000 yards but one was an old Texas Ranger who was better with a .44 Magnum pistol than anyone has a right to be and the other was a Paris Island grad who could "Kentucky Windage" a 5.56 NATO round into doing unreal things at stupidly long distances like 300-400 yards. I have NO idea how he did it but I figure he had the best eyesight of anyone I've ever met personally.

I watched that guy shoot and all I could think about was that old quote about the general saying "don't be stupid, they couldn't hit an elephant at this ra...."

 

[rero360]

I took my tricked out Savage to the range today, from the prone on the ground using a ok rest I was able to get 5 round groups of 1.1332, 2.756, and 1.676. ammo being black hills red and black box, 168, 175 and 180grs. respectively. If I were to eliminate flyers then they would be .552, 1.409, and .709 in the same order. All at a distance of 107 meters (ground was nice and flat there)

I know the rifle is capable of so much better groups, I blame myself completely for the poor groups, I've shot clover leaf groups with it before, so I know its good for it. I know I have a bd flinch that I need to work on.