Truth or Fiction?

[BigGunsMoreFun]

I'd have to agree with the original post

I don't believe that kind of accuracy at that distance is possible. It might happen ocassionally as a lucky shot or two but I have yet to see anyone that says they can do it, actually do it.

I know three snipers that successfully completed the U.S. Army sniper school and have decades of experience behind them as snipers for the Army and Marines. They can't hit like that and all of them have told me they don't think it is possible and it darn sure is not repeatable if you get lucky and do it.

The best I've ever seen that the guy could repeat is 5 shot groups of 1" at 200 yards. This old coot was an Army sniper for 30 years. I've never seen anyone that can do better or even come close. He could sit there and do it all day long.

Maybe the people you are talking to have access to laser-guided ammunition or some such other hogwash. Why not ask the next one that tells you he or she can shoot so good what they are shooting? I'll bet they have a tall tale for that to.

I just take people like this with a grain of salt. If a person likes to tell tall tales and brag a lot, who really cares? I let them have their fun knowing in my mind that they are as full of crap as a Thanksgiving Turkey.

My 2 cents.

Molon Labe,
Joe

 

[RugerOldArmy]

Denial is more than just a river in Egypt. Makes folks feel good.

A great reality check is checking benchrest aggregate results and highpower scores. But it would spoil this thread, be too easy and verifiable, and folks wouldn't feel good about their skills, rifles, and ability to read windflags.

But I kinda agree with the original post in the sense that I tend to disbelieve most internet posts that claim to know three military snipers. But hey, I've been wrong before. Maybe my initial post was wrong. In recognition of that fact, perhaps many in this thread would benefit by keeping their goals minimal, feeling better about their results, and avoiding cognate dissonance.

I now agree with the original poster's thesis Good groups don't exist. Shooting well isn't possible. Set your goals low. In that way, you won't aquire knowledge, or get frustrated and join the Brady campaign as a result.

 

[Master of Arms]

Yeah, I get it. I am kinda confused about the fact that if a person is a "sniper" , their words are stone. No offense BigGuns this isn`t directed at you. It`s just that I see lots of guys refering to snipers as experts. There`s no doubt that they`re informed but does that make them automatically just out of sight awsome, I think not. I`m sure that there is a percentage of the guys who graduate sniper school that are great shots but I`m sure that there are many regular old guys out here that could hang with`m any day.
Just like a great man said to me once about a certain famous running back, " Yeah son, he`s exceptional but you remember this, for every one exceptional or great player that you see, there are thousands more that could do the exact same thing and maybe even better but the cards didn`t fall their way."

 

[qajaq59]

I have an idea. Let's all write to the Myth Buster show and get them to do it. You already know what great riflemen they are.

 

[Dr. Dickie]

It is the internet, we all shoot sub 1" groups a 1000 yards in a driving rain with 30 mph winds and a rabid monkey loose in our underwear.

 

[mcnownaw]

These are the first three shots my Ex-GF fired, ever. 100 yrds, .223 Remington 700 police, handloads, front and rear sandbags (maybe just front, but I doubt it) . The owner of the gun shoots much smaller groups with that gun, maybe half what she did.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2333/2063714316_9e308170be_b.jpg

Looks equal to or less than a 0.5" group, yes?

The other targets are my brother shooting who knows what? Maybe a mosin nagant or a ruger no.1 under load development.

 

[mcnownaw]

When I get around to uploading it I will post a target that is four 2 shot groups superimposed upon each other, same POA, same day, shot over at least 30 minutes, kinda gusty wind, 100yrds, from a Remington 700 ADL .308 Wally World special with a 2x7 Burris FFII set at 7X and my brothers special handload, IMR 4895 toward or at the max load for a 165 grn Hornaday SPs (I think, I leave all these details to him).

I free floated and bedded the rifle and with SA Milsurp the group size didn't change from pre to post bedding/floating (aprox 1.75"-2" groups@100). Strange, but whatever

The group is .75" or less for seven rounds (Touching)and there is one round that opens the group to 1.5" or a little less. This is with some rolled up towels with a Wally Wrld sand bag on top for a front rest and the other WW sand bag at back and a 3.75 lb trigger.

Obviously off hand is a completely different ball game. I may take the trigger down the 3lbs, but thats as low as it goes for a hunting gun for me.

3 shot groups: several shot at the same POA tells you something, but one 3 shot group doesn't tell a whole lot. The series of 2 shot groups was a bit of an experiment. The 2 shots were fired as fast as I can reasonably shoot off the bench to simulate a rapid second shot at a deer or whatnot. Then, since this is a pencil barrel, it was allowed to cool. I also think 2 shot strings keep my ADD from causing group deterioration, pretty pleasing results.

 

[Master of Arms]

Folks most people that consistantly shoot can shoot less than an inch at 100 yards so that`s really no big deal. My 15 year old daughter can shoot an inch to 1 1/2" groups consistantly at 125 yards. No offense intended. The original question is about shooting less than an inch in excess of 600 yards which 99.999% of the time is probably BS.