TSA confiscates record number of guns in 2021

[1942bull]

I find it mind boggling that some gun owners are 1) so stupid or 2) so careless. I think that anyone who claims he or she forgot the gun was in the bag ought not be allowed to own a gun. I know where my guns are all the time because I am responsible for them just like I knew where my kids were because I was responsible for them. So those forgetful ones are in my category 2. My category one is the so stupid folks. Those are the idiots who actually believe they can get away with it. Frankly they are to stupid to be allowed to own a gun. Both categories do responsible gun owners a great disservice. When a gun owner breaks the law intentionally or by forgetfulness it just reflects badly on gun owners because the public tends to make indiscriminate judgments. Most gun owners are conscientious, but the public does not focus on that fact.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Can you point out where I'm wrong? Not trying to start anything, but having a pointer on what I got wrong would be a step in the right direction.

Schools and federal properties if I'm not mistaken. Airports, because 9/11 I think. Places with 30-06 and 30-07, and when verbally told you can't carry. Places who's income comes from at least 51% booze.

This isn't for felony, but where it's restricted

I'm saying this off the top of my head , I took the class.. February?I got my license after my break up, I remember that.

This is for Texas.

Well, almost everything you said was wrong or partially wrong. With a LTC, you can carry on college campuses and on school properties (e.g., public areas). You can carry on some federal properties such as national parks. You can carry in airports, but you cannot carry in secured areas. This was true before 9/11 as well. You absolutely can carry in many many places that get 51% or more of their income from the sale of alcohol, but not where they get 51% or more of their income from the consumption of alcohol. In other words for the 51% law, you can carry in a liquor store but not in a bar.

Again, you really do need to go back over the information.

 

[reloaded_in_pa]

Can you point out where I'm wrong? Not trying to start anything, but having a pointer on what I got wrong would be a step in the right direction.

An exemption for Pa law for school zones.
…if the weapon is possessed and used in conjunction with a lawful, supervised school activity or is possessed for other lawful purposes.

 

[CapnMac]

Can you point out where I'm wrong? Not trying to start anything, but having a pointer on what I got wrong would be a step in the right direction.

Probably more to detail, than gross error, I'm thinking.

For one 30.05 signs are also valid (30.05 no unlicensed; 30.06 no concealed; 30.07 no open carry). Courthouses, polling places, post offices, almost all sports arenas and amusement parks, and the like.

Now, as to the OP--one of the things "we" often do is conflate "new gun owners" with "new CHP holders." And, I think that's an error on "our" part. I'm thinking that a vast majority of the "new" owners still have no notion that there are carry laws at all. They bought their gun and they are bearing it.

As a flat-out guess, the TSA number is likely low (that and many of the "new" guns are just in nightstands).

Many of these were likely just in the bottom of backpacks, purses, fanny packs and the like. "We," the dedicated, committed, legit carriers are a distinct minority. The number of people with permits exceeds the number of people who actually carry by a significant proportion, too.

 

[jmorris]

Around 20 years ago a friend of mine, who had never flown, needed to fly to Arizona to meet the parents of his daughters fiancé. His wife packed the same bag he always used for weekend trips and didn’t remove the old 38 loaded with one rat shot and 5 solids.

They found it at the airport, he didn’t have to fly that day but they didn’t arrest him and gave him the gun back, just told him to find another airport if he wanted to travel in the future.

 

[redneck2]

2. My category one is the so stupid folks. Those are the idiots who actually believe they can get away with it. Frankly they are to stupid to be allowed to own a gun.

So, who exactly is the individual who chooses ones like you are smart enough to own a gun?

You may want to tone down your rhetoric. You’re only play into the anti’s hands

Have you ever gotten a traffic ticket? If so, you’re too stupid to be able to drive. We can play this game all day

 

[gobsauce]

Probably more to detail, than gross error, I'm thinking.

For one 30.05 signs are also valid (30.05 no unlicensed; 30.06 no concealed; 30.07 no open carry). Courthouses, polling places, post offices, almost all sports arenas and amusement parks, and the like.

Now, as to the OP--one of the things "we" often do is conflate "new gun owners" with "new CHP holders." And, I think that's an error on "our" part. I'm thinking that a vast majority of the "new" owners still have no notion that there are carry laws at all. They bought their gun and they are bearing it.

As a flat-out guess, the TSA number is likely low (that and many of the "new" guns are just in nightstands).

Many of these were likely just in the bottom of backpacks, purses, fanny packs and the like. "We," the dedicated, committed, legit carriers are a distinct minority. The number of people with permits exceeds the number of people who actually carry by a significant proportion, too.

30.05 weren't a thing when I took my class, that's before 9/01/2021.

 

[kcofohio]

Somehow everyone thinks people are knowingly doing this. I’m sure there are a few that think they can get the gun through, although why you would believe that in today’s environment is beyond me.

As noted in the post above this, i very strongly suspect most people simply get distracted by all the things involved in making your flight, connections, etc. They overlook the the firearm

If most members here would be honest, you’ve probably worn CC into some place you shouldn’t. Post Office, etc. I had a brand new knife I was given as an award at a company meeting. My idiot ex wife packed it in carry on and it got confiscated

Last year one of our daughters was being inducted into a honor society at the university she attends. We get in there, and then I realize I still had my carry gun on me. It was one of those uh-oh moments. The ceremony lasted only an hour or so. And thankfully my weapon doesn't print.

 

[gobsauce]

Well, almost everything you said was wrong or partially wrong. With a LTC, you can carry on college campuses and on school properties (e.g., public areas). You can carry on some federal properties such as national parks. You can carry in airports, but you cannot carry in secured areas. This was true before 9/11 as well. You absolutely can carry in many many places that get 51% or more of their income from the sale of alcohol, but not where they get 51% or more of their income from the consumption of alcohol. In other words for the 51% law, you can carry in a liquor store but not in a bar.

Again, you really do need to go back over the information.

By school, I meant like highschools and elementary. I should've said "like bars" instead of what I said, I should have added more details. By Federal Property I meant something along the lines of a USPS center. But I see what y'all are on.

 

[Archie]

Lots of confiscations, and no violence. Sounds like good Americans being confused by complicated laws. How about changing the laws to meet our needs? I know, crazy thought.

...good Americans being confused by complicated laws....changing the laws to meet our needs?

What is complicated about an absolute ban on carrying firearms on interstate commercial transportation? One cannot legally carry a firearm onto commercial aircraft. So violators have to avoid remembering it's illegal or completely forget they have such on their person or in their carry on. In the words of Marvin the robot "Depressingly stupid".

For the record, I would like to see an exception in that law for those legally owning weapons. But until that is changed, no one of even room temperature IQ has any reason to flaunt that law. Just like speed limit signs.

 

[mope540]

I’m sorry , but in this day and age to waltz into an airport with a firearm , thinking a carry permit applies , is remarkably stupid.

We all know that there are stringent restrictions and that compliance is absolutely mandatory.

Yes...extremely stupid since the odds of being busted are 100%. Even when going into the post office in this tiny town where the odds are practically nil I'll leave the gun in the vehicle.

 

[Ru4real]

What is complicated about an absolute ban on carrying firearms on interstate commercial transportation?

I suppose you support the push for socialism as well? In light of that, you advocating an absolute ban isn’t a stretch.

This is the America I want
TSA Agent at scanner:
“Ma’am, this Colt 1911 cannot go into the cabin of the aircraft. Instead, TSA will secure it in our explosive lockbox in the luggage hold. When you get to your destination, report to the TSA office and your Colt 1911 property will be handed over to you.”

Private property shouldn’t be stolen by the government aka confiscation, eminent domain, etc.

 

[1942bull]

So, who exactly is the individual who chooses ones like you are smart enough to own a gun?

You may want to tone down your rhetoric. You’re only play into the anti’s hands

Have you ever gotten a traffic ticket? If so, you’re too stupid to be able to drive. We can play this game all day

The choice would be made by the offender. You do the wrong thing and you lose your option. To use your analogy if I get a traffic ticker I get it because I did do something wrong. And if it happens to be very wrong, I could lose my right to drive. My rhetoric, as you call my words, are my opinion. As a responsible gun owner I think I should call out irresponsible gun owners. It is they, not me, who gone the anti 2A folks a field day.

 

[Archie]

I suppose you support the push for socialism as well? In light of that, you advocating an absolute ban isn’t a stretch.

This is the America I want
TSA Agent at scanner:
“Ma’am, this Colt 1911 cannot go into the cabin of the aircraft. Instead, TSA will secure it in our explosive lockbox in the luggage hold. When you get to your destination, report to the TSA office and your Colt 1911 property will be handed over to you.”

Private property shouldn’t be stolen by the government aka confiscation, eminent domain, etc.

I have provided you with an explanation. I cannot provide you with understanding.

 

[bassjam]

I know 2 people who did this. Both simply forgot they had their conceal carry weapon in their daily laptop bag when they had to take a random flight for work because normally they drove on business trips. In a way I get it, I've flown a LOT for work and certainly understand the laws but I've still donated a few pocket knives to the TSA. They're part of my daily edc and I drop them in my pocket when I'm dressing in the morning without giving it a second thought, its no different that grabbing my wallet or keys.

Really though this begs the question, how many people are out there carrying a gun around unsecured in their backpacks and briefcases?

 

[.308 Norma]

Last year one of our daughters was being inducted into a honor society at the university she attends. We get in there, and then I realize I still had my carry gun on me. It was one of those uh-oh moments. The ceremony lasted only an hour or so. And thankfully my weapon doesn't print.

After I retired, I went back to school at Idaho State University in pursuit of a college degree. Yeah, I sometimes get things backwards.

At any rate, it wasn’t until after I graduated that concealed carry on Idaho’s college and university campuses (with an Idaho “Enhanced” Concealed Carry License) became legal. I had a regular Idaho CCW license back then, but it wasn’t the “Enhanced” version, so I couldn’t legally carry anywhere on ISU’s campus. And I probably got halfway across campus on my way to a class a dozen times before I remembered I was wearing a gun. I’d turn around, walk back to the truck, and lock my gun up before heading back to class.

Things are not all that different even nowadays as far as legal carry on Idaho’s college and university campuses. My wife and I still have ties with ISU, and we both have Idaho Enhanced Concealed Carry Licenses. Yet before we go on campus at ISU, we make sure that it’s legal to carry in whatever building(s) we’re planning on being in because it’s not legal in every building at ISU, even with an Idaho Enhanced CCW License.

 

[tarosean]

I've had to donate a couple of knifes. So I can see how it's possible.

 

[theotherwaldo]

Of course, these laws don't apply to politicians.
One of our local pols, State Senator Juan "Chuy" Hinojosa, went to board a plane while carrying a 9mm.
He got a firm finger-wagging - and his gun back... .

 

[P89DCSS]

A coworker accidently carried his 44mag revolver to an airport checkpoint. The revolver was in the bottom of his camera bag. He told me he he was running late and completely forgot about it being there. This was ~1990 before the TSA existed and he wasn't even fined. They told him it wasn't that uncommon, people forget. Not sure if they kept his gun or gave it back.

 

[1942bull]

If you own a gun there is no acceptable excuse for not knowing where it is or having it secured if it is no on your person, Full Stop.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

When I fly to visit my son in Pensacola I have a carry on bag NEVER used as a range bag and dedicated to airline travel only.

The ordeal of the Tennessee nursing student vacationing in NYC who forgot her carry pistol in her everyday bag is an unforgettable lesson.

 

[redneck2]

Years ago I had a friend that worked at the LGS. He was looking for a Remington 700 in .220 Swift. Finally found one. Took it home to put in his safe, only to find that he had already bought one but had forgotten about it. Needless to say, he had a LOT of guns.

There have been threads here about guys that found guns they either had misplaced or forgotten about

 

[ExtremeSquared]

It doesn't say if this is 100% from airport TSA checkpoints. The TSA has not always been above setting up illegal checkpoints elsewhere.

 

[P89DCSS]

When I fly to visit my son in Pensacola I have a carry on bag NEVER used as a range bag and dedicated to airline travel only....

Another good reason to not to use a range bag for airline travel is gun powder residue. I've had my carryon bag swiped and tested for nitrate substances by the TSA many times. Test positive and you'll probably miss your flight. A coworker of mine had his shoes swiped/tested and it came back positive. He was interrogated for a couple hours by TSA and FBI agents. Probably was fertilizer from the grass at the plant we visited right before we went to the airport.

It doesn't say if this is 100% from airport TSA checkpoints. The TSA has not always been above setting up illegal checkpoints elsewhere.

I think that's Customs and Border Patrol (CBP) not the TSA.

 

[dogtown tom]

By school, I meant like highschools and elementary. I should've said "like bars" instead of what I said, I should have added more details. By Federal Property I meant something along the lines of a USPS center. But I see what y'all are on.

And...............you still don't get it.